r u insane. Do you not understand what context is? This is blatant racist bigoted speech. He used the hard r twice in a direct attempt to demean a person based on their skin color.
r u insane. Do you not understand what context is? This is blatant racist bigoted speech. He used the hard r twice in a direct attempt to demean a person based on their skin color.
unacceptable wrote:
r u insane. Do you not understand what context is? This is blatant racist bigoted speech. He used the hard r twice in a direct attempt to demean a person based on their skin color.
Oh lord, not the hard r. Words are like bullets. Hard r's are like the r's in APCR. Penetrates even the thickest of skins. Can the world ever go back to normal? Should we have to breathe the same air as a guy who said it with the hard r (twice!)?
I honestly don't think we should.
The black head coach of UCLA has also issued a statement
https://twitter.com/UCLAXC/status/1364054614983593986
Here is the LA Times article on the matter.
So he is likely not a good person and he definitely screwed up/has unhealthy perspectives. Does he deserve to be harassed by a bunch of dumb and insecure idiots (many of which are not good people themselves)? No. Leave the kid alone. He will learn his lesson.
LetsRun.com wrote:
The black head coach of UCLA has also issued a statement
Thanks for that important distinction, Robert.
the kid obviously has issues, he deserves to be kicked off the team and other consequences. I'm worried about the kid though, SJWs might push it too far, and with a kid that already has issues that could push him over the edge. The kid said the word as an insult to a black man, there is no excuse. I can see people trying to defend him if he just said it in a joke or in a song that he was singing, but this is different. We just gotta make sure not to push it too far. That could end someones life.
I'm 25 I know nothing wrote:
Sounded like his mom he was talking to. No one cheats on mummy's special berkely boy lol
I know this is not relevant to the thread, but I feel the need to point out that UCLA is not in Berkeley. You are thinking of the University of California, Berkeley.
CalBears and Bruins wrote:
I'm 25 I know nothing wrote:
Sounded like his mom he was talking to. No one cheats on mummy's special berkely boy lol
I know this is not relevant to the thread, but I feel the need to point out that UCLA is not in Berkeley. You are thinking of the University of California, Berkeley.
Brain shart. Nominative determinism from my made up username I'm afraid.
The letters LA are right there in the name.
stop it please wrote:
Who cares? So he said a bad word. Does he deserve to be expelled because of it? Should he be prohibited from ever getting an education because of it? Should he never be hired for a job because of it? Should his life be ruined because of it?
Not saying I disagree with your entire statement, but to say 'who cares, he just said a bad word' means you think it is ok to say hurtful and offensive things. Words have the power to anger, agitate, insult and inflict pain, just on a human level; why do you think that's cool? Btw, there are places in the word where saying certain things can get you thrown in jail or worst.
As soon as I learned of this incident as a coach myself I wanted him dismissed from the team: if he was one of my own athletes, he would have been dismissed. What's interesting is that UCLA's coach claims he suspended him, then in January reinstated him, yet when all this blew up here and on Instagram felt it necessary to dismiss him.
So to be clear, yeah, the kid needed to go. But it disturbs me how it was social media and not UCLA internally that came to this decision and really wonder if social media had not been so vocal about it the past two days if they would have just let the athlete stay?
UCLA is a public university. Isn't free speech protected?
To me, it's not that he said some "bad words". It's the cohesive attitude he expressed on the phone call with his mom, which makes clear that he believes:
—Black people live in the ghetto (he says so)
—calling someone gay slurs, who isn't even gay because it's the person who got with his girlfriend, is an appropriate insult
—boys (like him) can cheat but girls can't
—girls are possessions of boys
—it's ok to be aggressive and disrespectful to people
That's the problem, not curse words.
stop it please wrote:
It's ironic because people will try to ruin your life for something dumb like calling the cops on a black person. Meanwhile those same people are actively trying to get convicted violent criminals out of jail earlier.
The current PC moment is fascinating. I agree the same citizens that would gleefully hope this kid is barred from opportunities forever are the same folks pushing for a justice system that takes it easier on violent criminals. Rehabilitation and second chances for physical violence; doomed forever for words. Bizarre.
I am not defending this ucla kid, I would kick him off the team if I was coach. I just can’t stand irrationality or hypocrisy, whether from the right or left.
Free speech means you won't be stopped from saying things. However, the tenor of your words and what they indicate can have ramifications.
Most college athletics teams, including ones I've coached myself, have high standards of moral integrity and behavior that the athletes do not represent their team or institution in a negative manner. His behavior clearly falls very short of the high expectations we have of student athletes.
I think this young man's behavior in this episode has been reprehensible. I do think he should be afforded the opportunity to rehabilitate and change into a better person from all of this. Obviously, things are off to a rough start. For the record, I would be saying the same thing if it was a situation like a young person who got caught up with ISIS, depending on if any crimes were or weren't committed... situational awareness is needed, that was in need of a path back to normal society.
We can't just write every single person who says something racist or sexist off for the rest of their lives. That's how we get crazy alt-right, radical islamist, or any other grouping of dangerous radicalized people doing more reprehensible acts.
I think you are being sarcastic but will replay anyway.
I thought it was important in this day and age to mention the race of the coach. If a white head coach had tried to give him a second chance, like the UCLA coach initially did, then even more people would be outraged. Most people don't know the race of the UCLA coach.
I mean one of the first twitter responses is from an alum saying the coach should be fired which I think is ridiculous particularly given the fact that the coach is black.
I agree he should lose the privilege of being an intercollegiate athlete (i always say we don't have a right to be an elite level athlete) but also like you am concerned where this is headed.
In the year 2021, people's lowest moments are now filmed and aired to the world. Do we know who filmed it? The kid said some AWFUL things but his mom was trying to help educate him. The coach even wanted to give him a 2nd chance.
Ironically, he's now really screwed that the coach wanted to try to give him a second chance after the suspension because now it's a national story and whenever his name is googled, this stuff will come up. Some will say he deserves it but for how long? A big movement right now in terms of crimianl justice is to forgive young felons. In Europe there is a "right to be erasure" on the Internet. After so many years, links to old stories can be removed.
That too though could be troubling as one could argue you end up like the Catholic church. It's all very hard in the digital age. But if he'd been quietly kicked off the team, things would be way better for him in the short term, although I guess whoever had the video would always be able to hold that over him with future jobs and what not.
voice of raisin wrote:
The current PC moment is fascinating. I agree the same citizens that would gleefully hope this kid is barred from opportunities forever are the same folks pushing for a justice system that takes it easier on violent criminals. Rehabilitation and second chances for physical violence; doomed forever for words. Bizarre.
I am not defending this ucla kid, I would kick him off the team if I was coach. I just can’t stand irrationality or hypocrisy, whether from the right or left.
I guess you posted as I was typing my response many of my thoughts in terms of criminal justice. Nice post.
who and when?
voice of raisin wrote:
stop it please wrote:
It's ironic because people will try to ruin your life for something dumb like calling the cops on a black person. Meanwhile those same people are actively trying to get convicted violent criminals out of jail earlier.
The current PC moment is fascinating. I agree the same citizens that would gleefully hope this kid is barred from opportunities forever are the same folks pushing for a justice system that takes it easier on violent criminals. Rehabilitation and second chances for physical violence; doomed forever for words. Bizarre.
I am not defending this ucla kid, I would kick him off the team if I was coach. I just can’t stand irrationality or hypocrisy, whether from the right or left.
Yea, this is my thought. It is not that "I support his behavior", as those PC types would like to suggest. Merely if we believe in humans being able to be rehabilitated, then it should go for words as well as for violent crimes.
Has anyone informed david45 that his college now has an open spot on their XC team? When are tryouts?