Guys who should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Oh certainly.

I put Clemente in there to show the clear difference in character between those other names.

Ok. Got it.

Dickslapper wrote:

josh1988 wrote:

8 time all star.

5 World Series titles.

More wins.

Essentially rewrote the rules of baseball free agency.

If you’re gonna say clown things people are going to laugh at you...

You are the clown here. Catfish was not as good as Schilling. Educate yourself.

Wins

Hunter - 224

Schilling - 216

ERA

Hunter - 3.26

Schilling - 3.46

Cy Young Awards

Hunter - 1

Schilling - 0

All Star Games

Hunter - 8

Schilling - 6

Hunter was better. He had those better stats despite being done at age 33 too while Schilling went until 40. Hunter wins this easily.

Did anyone mention Darryl Strawberry?

Strawberry was far too dirty with what he consumed to be a realistic choice.

Great player, but the Hall should not reward addicts.

Chris Sabo.

You democrat fairy.

Flagpole wrote:

Just this one comment - Roberto Clemente had 3000 hits and a .317 career batting average. He was getting in even if h didn't die in that plane crash.

And for the poster that values the intangibles, oh my what an arm Clememte had from right field.

As for Hernandez, I think he should be in and I'll help him move........but I'm not taking him to the airport.

butler county sheriff supporter wrote:

Chris Sabo.

You democrat fairy.

Um...no.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Strawberry was far too dirty with what he consumed to be a realistic choice.

Great player, but the Hall should not reward addicts.

With the state of criminal justice reform and loosening sentences for drug victims, do you think baseball should also loosen some of their restrictions as to who is considered for the HOF?

Seems to me Strawberry's addictions were more in line with the plight of black culture than a personal detriment. One might even say achieved great things in spite of the negative affects of drugs and poverty. A true American hero, if you will.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

No. They shouldn't. Drug sentencing reform is in place for lessening prison sentences.

If I used drugs and was caught using drugs, I could never work with kids again because drug convictions are not tolerated.

I would lose my livelihood.

Strawberry got to play and enjoy his life and money of his own accord.

He doesn't need the Hall of Fame too.

That's extra.

American hero?

He only stopped having a rap sheet 15 years ago. By then he was already 43.

I'll be 47 this year and my background is spotless.

Even people of color should have to behave.

So...No.

If you do the time, shouldn't that be enough punishment? I have no problem letting reformed drug users around children. There are sentencing guidelines for a reason and once someone has dutifully fulfilled their sentence, there should no longer be a stigma about them. I think it should be more or less how juvenile records work, and they get sealed at the end of the sentence. It would go a long way to making people employable, or, eligible for the hall of fame.

It sounds like you don't understand black culture, though. You probably have never experienced poverty in your 46 years or having to hustle to make ends meet.

Flagpole wrote:

I honestly don't think a guy with 216 wins should be in the Hall.

So what's the minimum wins for a starter?

Sandy Koufax .165-87.

Lefty Gomez. 189-102.

Dennis Eckersley. 197-171. (390 sv.)

Roy Hallady. 203-105.

Don Drysdale. 209-166.

John Smoltz 213-155. (154 sv.)

Flagpole wrote:

Dickslapper wrote:

You are the clown here. Catfish was not as good as Schilling. Educate yourself.

Wins

Hunter - 224

Schilling - 216

ERA

Hunter - 3.26

Schilling - 3.46

Cy Young Awards

Hunter - 1

Schilling - 0

All Star Games

Hunter - 8

Schilling - 6

Hunter was better. He had those better stats despite being done at age 33 too while Schilling went until 40. Hunter wins this easily.

In the powerful stat of Wins Above Replacement (WAR) for pitchers...

Curt Schilling is 26th at 80.5

Catfish Hunter is 206th at 36.3

It is not even close. Schilling was a significantly better pitcher than Hunter. It is almost as if some of you do not understand the game at all.

Rose should never get in. Threw games as a manager. All-time leader in having players tossed from games for batting out of order, by bringing the wrong lineup card to home plate.

Schilling should be in. His post-season stats are over-the-top. Great big-game pitcher. He's got 3 rings... Mussina is in with zero rings.

That being said... basing qualifications on comparison to another HoF member is a slippery slope. There're a bunch of guys in who have no business being there. Phil Rizzuto and Pee Wee Reese, for starters.

Schilling won the Roberto Clemente Award and raised millions for charity.

He is currently raising money for this high school athlete and his family.

This is not an issue of color.

This is not an issue of poverty.

This is not an issue of hustling.

We're discussing Darryl Strawberry and his many issues and substances that should invalidate him from Hall of Fame consideration.

Strawberry did not have to sell avocados or flowers near on-ramps by the 710 or 110 freeways.

He did not have to steal goods to hawk at a pawn shop so his family could eat.

He was not on a day labor wall to feed his kids.

These are some of the difficulties that happen regularly in the hood of LA, including the Crenshaw district, where he is from.

Those are sad occurrences and within that is, as you mention, the hustling that goes with the drug business.

But Darryl Strawberry became a professional athlete. He had the opportunity to play on the World's largest stage for the sport. As a result, he had ample opportunities to stop any substances he was doing, be it cocaine, alcohol, adderall, etc.

He didn't. He was making tons of money and didn't stop the substances. In addition, he didn't stop having run-ins in some form with the law until after 2005.

There is no case truly to be made for him because he spent longer either on drugs or violating laws than he did as a MLB player.

It is truly no different from Steve Howe. Steve Howe also had ample opportunities to stop. Even Keith Hernandez admitted to cocaine usage.

Ergo, it is a drug issue. Bringing color to this scope is only a smokescreen to shame people into relenting on drug crackdowns and sanctions.

Regardless of color, Darryl Strawberry should not be in the Hall of Fame because of all the aforementioned reasons.

The problem is, you're not taking into account that they pitched in different eras. During Hunter's career, the average number of runs/game was 3.75 and the MLB average ERA was 3.58. Catfish's career ERA was .30 lower than MLB average over his career. During Schilling's career, there were an average of 4.67 runs per game, and the MLB average ERA was 4.28. Schilling's 3.46 is .825 lower than MLB average ERA over his career.

Flagpole wrote:

You are the clown here. Catfish was not as good as Schilling. Educate yourself.

Wins

Hunter - 224

Schilling - 216

ERA

Hunter - 3.26

Schilling - 3.46

Cy Young Awards

Hunter - 1

Schilling - 0

All Star Games

Hunter - 8

Schilling - 6

Hunter was better. He had those better stats despite being done at age 33 too while Schilling went until 40. Hunter wins this easily.[/quote]

Oh please, there are tons of terrible people in the Hall. You've got noted A-holes from Ty Cobb, to Micky Mantle, to Reggie Jackson. Plus dozens of others. If these guys were playing the steroid era every single one of them would have doped. The steroid era was not a small thing where 5-10% were, cheating, it was the vast majority. Those from the steroid era deserve their place in history with a footnote.

Wasn't Schilling one of the more vocal anti-dopers during the steroid era?

How about Omar Vizquel?

-11 Gold Gloves

-2877 hits

Substance abuse is FAR worse than being an A-hole.

A-holism is part of a disposition.

You can develop into an A- hole over time but usually it is part of you.

I know that I can be and have been an A-hole throughout different times in my life.

But the minute I ever try cocaine, or take adderall or have someone give me nandrolol, androstenedione or any of the true or synthetic steroids or testosterone producing or stimulating product, I have made that choice.

And if I go beyond one time, I have chosen to continue.

Billy Martin was one of the biggest jerks in the history of baseball managing. It was also known that he was a raging alcoholic. Ruth loved his alcohol too. So did Harry Caray.

And one can easily make the case that alcoholics should not be in the Hall.

But if alcohol was all Strawberry did, then he probably should be there because of Ruth and Martin.

But this is cocaine over a long period of time and also adderall.

It has to be no. He wasn't a good guy.