Guys who should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame

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Stoppit Smith wrote:
Oh certainly.

I put Clemente in there to show the clear difference in character between those other names.

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Dickslapper wrote:

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josh1988 wrote:

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Dickslapper wrote:
Curt Schilling 216-146
Catfish Hunter 224-166

Catfish is in and Schilling is not. Yeah that makes sense...

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8 time all star.
5 World Series titles.
More wins.
Essentially rewrote the rules of baseball free agency.

If you’re gonna say clown things people are going to laugh at you...

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You are the clown here. Catfish was not as good as Schilling. Educate yourself.

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Did anyone mention Darryl Strawberry?

Strawberry was far too dirty with what he consumed to be a realistic choice.

Great player, but the Hall should not reward addicts.

Chris Sabo.

You democrat fairy.

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Flagpole wrote:
Just this one comment - Roberto Clemente had 3000 hits and a .317 career batting average. He was getting in even if h didn't die in that plane crash.

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butler county sheriff supporter wrote:
Chris Sabo.

You democrat fairy.

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Stoppit Smith wrote:
Strawberry was far too dirty with what he consumed to be a realistic choice.

Great player, but the Hall should not reward addicts.

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Stoppit Smith wrote:
No. They shouldn't. Drug sentencing reform is in place for lessening prison sentences.

If I used drugs and was caught using drugs, I could never work with kids again because drug convictions are not tolerated.

I would lose my livelihood.

Strawberry got to play and enjoy his life and money of his own accord.

He doesn't need the Hall of Fame too.

That's extra.

American hero?

He only stopped having a rap sheet 15 years ago. By then he was already 43.

I'll be 47 this year and my background is spotless.

Even people of color should have to behave.

So...No.

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Flagpole wrote:
I honestly don't think a guy with 216 wins should be in the Hall.

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Flagpole wrote:

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Dickslapper wrote:

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josh1988 wrote:

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Dickslapper wrote:
Curt Schilling 216-146
Catfish Hunter 224-166

Catfish is in and Schilling is not. Yeah that makes sense...

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8 time all star.
5 World Series titles.
More wins.
Essentially rewrote the rules of baseball free agency.

If you’re gonna say clown things people are going to laugh at you...

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You are the clown here. Catfish was not as good as Schilling. Educate yourself.

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Wins
Hunter - 224
Schilling - 216

ERA
Hunter - 3.26
Schilling - 3.46

Cy Young Awards
Hunter - 1
Schilling - 0

All Star Games
Hunter - 8
Schilling - 6

Hunter was better. He had those better stats despite being done at age 33 too while Schilling went until 40. Hunter wins this easily.

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Rose should never get in. Threw games as a manager. All-time leader in having players tossed from games for batting out of order, by bringing the wrong lineup card to home plate.

Schilling should be in. His post-season stats are over-the-top. Great big-game pitcher. He's got 3 rings... Mussina is in with zero rings.

That being said... basing qualifications on comparison to another HoF member is a slippery slope. There're a bunch of guys in who have no business being there. Phil Rizzuto and Pee Wee Reese, for starters.

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Flagpole wrote:

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Stoppit Smith wrote:
As long as there continues to be a Little League, I will not support this logic.

The Hall of Fame, specifically the one in Cooperstown as teams have their own halls, is supposed to be a display of Baseball's best.

People like Jerry Coleman, a War Veteran, are there, or Roberto Clemente, who died in a plane crash during a benevolent mission for his country.

People who broke the color barrier are there like Jackie Robinson.

Children need to know that their baseball heroes are also good people.

I collected tons of Doc Gooden memorabilia as a kid and threw it all away when it came out that he took cocaine repeatedly.

Kids should not have to experience that in their sport heroes.

So we need virtue in baseball. Pete Rose, Rocket Clemens, Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire knew full well that there could be ramifications.

At the base level, not even using value judgments for drugs or gambling and just reducing it to its simplest level....it's cheating.

Cheating kills the spirit of sports.

Cheaters don't belong in Cooperstown.

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Primo Numero Uno wrote:
Bonds, Clemens, Rose, McGwire.

The idiocy of continuing the virtue signaling of keeping them out is absurd. Rose has paid his price let him in.

In the steroid era everyone was on roids and everyone knew it. The writers knew it the players knew it, eventually, the fans knew it too. Yet we are picking and choosing players we think might be clean with no real evidence except we like them more than others.

Bonds is the greatest hitter I've ever watched play. Clemens was one of the 3 greatest pitchers I've ever watched. McGwire revived baseball in the 90's. When you throw in that the all time hits leader is not in the hall of fame as I'm concerned it is a total joke that we are holding these 3 out for doing what everyone else in their era did.

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Just this one comment - Roberto Clemente had 3000 hits and a .317 career batting average. He was getting in even if h didn't die in that plane crash.

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This is not an issue of color.

This is not an issue of poverty.

This is not an issue of hustling.

We're discussing Darryl Strawberry and his many issues and substances that should invalidate him from Hall of Fame consideration.

Strawberry did not have to sell avocados or flowers near on-ramps by the 710 or 110 freeways.

He did not have to steal goods to hawk at a pawn shop so his family could eat.

He was not on a day labor wall to feed his kids.

These are some of the difficulties that happen regularly in the hood of LA, including the Crenshaw district, where he is from.

Those are sad occurrences and within that is, as you mention, the hustling that goes with the drug business.

But Darryl Strawberry became a professional athlete. He had the opportunity to play on the World's largest stage for the sport. As a result, he had ample opportunities to stop any substances he was doing, be it cocaine, alcohol, adderall, etc.

He didn't. He was making tons of money and didn't stop the substances. In addition, he didn't stop having run-ins in some form with the law until after 2005.

There is no case truly to be made for him because he spent longer either on drugs or violating laws than he did as a MLB player.

It is truly no different from Steve Howe. Steve Howe also had ample opportunities to stop. Even Keith Hernandez admitted to cocaine usage.

Ergo, it is a drug issue. Bringing color to this scope is only a smokescreen to shame people into relenting on drug crackdowns and sanctions.

Regardless of color, Darryl Strawberry should not be in the Hall of Fame because of all the aforementioned reasons.

The problem is, you're not taking into account that they pitched in different eras. During Hunter's career, the average number of runs/game was 3.75 and the MLB average ERA was 3.58. Catfish's career ERA was .30 lower than MLB average over his career.

During Schilling's career, there were an average of 4.67 runs per game, and the MLB average ERA was 4.28. Schilling's 3.46 is .825 lower than MLB average ERA over his career.

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Flagpole wrote:

You are the clown here. Catfish was not as good as Schilling. Educate yourself.

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Stoppit Smith wrote:
As long as there continues to be a Little League, I will not support this logic.

The Hall of Fame, specifically the one in Cooperstown as teams have their own halls, is supposed to be a display of Baseball's best.

People like Jerry Coleman, a War Veteran, are there, or Roberto Clemente, who died in a plane crash during a benevolent mission for his country.

People who broke the color barrier are there like Jackie Robinson.

Children need to know that their baseball heroes are also good people.

I collected tons of Doc Gooden memorabilia as a kid and threw it all away when it came out that he took cocaine repeatedly.

Kids should not have to experience that in their sport heroes.

So we need virtue in baseball. Pete Rose, Rocket Clemens, Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire knew full well that there could be ramifications.

At the base level, not even using value judgments for drugs or gambling and just reducing it to its simplest level....it's cheating.

Cheating kills the spirit of sports.

Cheaters don't belong in Cooperstown.

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Primo Numero Uno wrote:
Bonds, Clemens, Rose, McGwire.

The idiocy of continuing the virtue signaling of keeping them out is absurd. Rose has paid his price let him in.

In the steroid era everyone was on roids and everyone knew it. The writers knew it the players knew it, eventually, the fans knew it too. Yet we are picking and choosing players we think might be clean with no real evidence except we like them more than others.

Bonds is the greatest hitter I've ever watched play. Clemens was one of the 3 greatest pitchers I've ever watched. McGwire revived baseball in the 90's. When you throw in that the all time hits leader is not in the hall of fame as I'm concerned it is a total joke that we are holding these 3 out for doing what everyone else in their era did.

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Wasn't Schilling one of the more vocal anti-dopers during the steroid era?

How about Omar Vizquel?
-11 Gold Gloves
-2877 hits

Substance abuse is FAR worse than being an A-hole.

A-holism is part of a disposition.

You can develop into an A- hole over time but usually it is part of you.

I know that I can be and have been an A-hole throughout different times in my life.

But the minute I ever try cocaine, or take adderall or have someone give me nandrolol, androstenedione or any of the true or synthetic steroids or testosterone producing or stimulating product, I have made that choice.

And if I go beyond one time, I have chosen to continue.

Billy Martin was one of the biggest jerks in the history of baseball managing. It was also known that he was a raging alcoholic. Ruth loved his alcohol too. So did Harry Caray.

And one can easily make the case that alcoholics should not be in the Hall.

But if alcohol was all Strawberry did, then he probably should be there because of Ruth and Martin.

But this is cocaine over a long period of time and also adderall.

It has to be no. He wasn't a good guy.