So how beneficial are the new Nike spikes really?

Does a non spike dragonfly exist? If not nike needs to make a flat version of the dragonfly for us old folks lol

RunCzar wrote:

Does a non spike dragonfly exist? If not nike needs to make a flat version of the dragonfly for us old folks lol

I think I heard that they're releasing a zoomx flat this year, it's taken them long enough.

Make everyone Zola Bud it... level playing field

loling wrote:

Tim Cheruiyot has yet to set a PR in the super spikes. He set his PR in mambas. Are you saying that Tim is now 3 seconds slower? Filip Inge. has yet to break 3:30 despite being in super spikes. Are you saying that Filip is now 3 seconds slower? Shelby H says she like the old vics better. Do you think she would pass up a shoe that would allow her to run 2-3 seconds faster? stop the BS. They're a good pair of spikes but if you think its 2-3 seconds per mile you're delusional.

He only runs fast when the potato crops are poor. When the crops are good, too much time on his feet, saps him of his strength.

Interesting stuff. I race in the Adidas Adizero Avanti specifically. I love the boost midsole, but apparently it's nothing compared to the plate in the Dragonflys. There's a part of me that wants to run faster even without the help of the new tech, but it's tempting to try and get any legal advantage possible, placebo or otherwise. $150 is a lot for me so we'll see how outdoor goes but I might cave and buy them at some point.

run of the mill HSer wrote:

Interesting stuff. I race in the Adidas Adizero Avanti specifically. I love the boost midsole, but apparently it's nothing compared to the plate in the Dragonflys. There's a part of me that wants to run faster even without the help of the new tech, but it's tempting to try and get any legal advantage possible, placebo or otherwise. $150 is a lot for me so we'll see how outdoor goes but I might cave and buy them at some point.

The dragonfly plate is the same pebax that's been in use forever, the difference between the dragonfly and the last-gen spikes is the zoomx foam. Gudaf Tsegay just set the indoor 1500m WR in the Avanti, so even if you don't go for the Dragonfly you still have a great pair of spikes. Personally, if I didn't love the mamba 5 so much, I would probably be in the Avantis. (I like the dragonfly too, but prefer a lower to the ground feel, and the Avanti seem like they would be lower than my dragonflies).

I am also an avid avanti user, but I just tried on some and the dragonflys feel unreal, like literal springs on your feet compared to the avantis. I have no idea if there is a benefit in times, but they are completely different from regular spikes.

The spikes are as good as your coaching / training.

This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

The dragonfly’s are estimated at .

A benefit of .5 to 1 second per ¼ mile. When cheptegei broke the 10k record they estimated the shoes were worth roughly 20-25 seconds.

anyone who doesn't think that the spikes are worth at least .5 seconds per lap and probably closer to 1 is a naive idiot. Everyone in the world isn't just suddenly magically way faster than they were a year ago, and many of the "unbreakable" track records have gone down. I bet someone takes down the mens 1500 this summer.

Not sure where you got your info.

Nothing you listed helps performance.

They are good spikes for sure. But who cares, the other brands will come in this year and destroy Nike. Adidas usually does much better spikes than Nike.

In short distance the Adizero Prime sp has no rivals. That plate is insane.

coach@32 wrote:

The spikes are as good as your coaching / training.

+100

So your position is that a year of consistent training wouldn't make a whole lot of people faster than they were, so the only possible answer is the shoes. Interesting.

FreshmanRecordHolder wrote:

You could also try legal doping: Ketones, caffeine, and collagen supplements. All three are used by elite runners (watch the athlete special on youtube and he'll talk about it with his work with Brooks Beasts).

By any chance do you have a link to the episode when they go over this? I went to that channel but there are a bunch of videos. Thank you!

The spikes are finicky. Seems like a lot of athletes are preferring the dragonfly over the victory even in the 1500/mile, which is what the victory is marketed as.

I wonder what the point is where one is better than the other. 800 seems like a pretty confusing point. Brazier wears 400 spikes pretty sure so I guess it doesn’t really matter much but interesting stuff

As the slight edge says, everything has an impact. Dragonfly spikes are either faster or slower than any other spike. Any spike you look at is either faster or slower than another. Now, is it dramatically faster? No. People claiming the '1 second per 600 meters' thing that Nick Willis said, I think that's a bit drastic. I'd be surprised if it was more than 1 second for 1600 meters. Otherwise a lot of people are actually running kind of slow right now since their new spikes should make them 2.5 seconds faster per mile. Lots of people aren't running those new times.

Anyway, if you ran a 1600 your spike choice isn't going to makeup several seconds, I'd be shocked if it changes your outcome by more than one second. Or two seconds in a 3200.

If the new Nike spikes were dramatically faster, then in professional races where most the athletes are within a few seconds of each other in an 800 meter to 3k race, then all the Nike shoes should be at the front. But we're not seeing that, plenty of Adidas/New Balance/ or other shoes are still winning races and setting records. Hoppel just broke the American record for indoor 1k. According to Nick Willis he would have run 1.66 seconds faster wearing dragonfly spikes. YEAH RIGHT! Hoppel wasn't about to run 1:14.6 in an indoor 1k this year.

loling wrote:

Tim Cheruiyot has yet to set a PR in the super spikes. He set his PR in mambas. Are you saying that Tim is now 3 seconds slower? Filip Inge. has yet to break 3:30 despite being in super spikes. Are you saying that Filip is now 3 seconds slower? Shelby H says she like the old vics better. Do you think she would pass up a shoe that would allow her to run 2-3 seconds faster? stop the BS. They're a good pair of spikes but if you think its 2-3 seconds per mile you're delusional.

*THIS*

As I said in another thread - are people seriously suggesting that Gudaf Tseguy would run 3:51 indoors and 3:48 outdoors if she were in Dragonflies?

Also where is everyone's memory at? "Huh duh, the times got way faster in 2020" - NIKE ATHLETES WERE ALL ROCKING THIS IN 2019. Prototype NBs were also getting out to athletes towards the end of the year.

Where was the outrage in 2019 at the super spikes? There was that one random Daily Mail article making a fuss about Laura Muir's 4:18 mile (which is fast but not insane). The craziness only came in 2020 when Cheptegei and Gidey broke the world records.

Does anyone know how long the dragonfly maintains maximum effectiveness? How many miles until the foam wears down and you can still wear them but you’d be better off racing in a different pair?