I did a workout of 12x 600 in freezing temperatures of 15 degree wind chill last week in (2:08 2nd one) 2:06-1:59, but it was so cold on the first one l warmed into it with 2:12 on the 1st one. The recovery was a1:30 jog. Back at the very end of November, the last few days, l did a session of only 10x 600, 2:11 to 2:03, with a 2 minute recovery plus. I am in MUCH better shape then l was 2 and half months ago. I felt frozen and on my first 2 600s, l was basically warming up and l could never feel right the whole workout. How much was the weather at 14 degrees and a strong wind worth? I was looking to hit 12x 600s in 2:00 to 1:55, but was hitting 2:05 and working down to 1:59. Could l have hit them in 1:55 if it was like 70 degrees and no wind like it was 2 and 1/2 months ago?
Can doing a session in 14 degrees and a good wind vs 70 degrees and no wind make a big difference and how much
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Not sure what you are looking for.
Was everything and I mean everything else the same when you did the workout in November? Same mileage? Same day of routine? Same exact diet?
If we are nit picking at weather parameters, was the dew point the same? How about the air quality?
I think the best way to compare the two workouts is to reflect how you felt on your runs in the days that followed. Were you trashed for a few days after the colder workout?
COULD you have hit them in 1:55 last week? Yes of course. But you also could have run them in 1:55 in November but the effort would have been harder. -
Were you on a track? You should have done them downwind if you were not doing loops.
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pavement88 wrote:
Not sure what you are looking for.
Was everything and I mean everything else the same when you did the workout in November? Same mileage? Same day of routine? Same exact diet?
If we are nit picking at weather parameters, was the dew point the same? How about the air quality?
I think the best way to compare the two workouts is to reflect how you felt on your runs in the days that followed. Were you trashed for a few days after the colder workout?
COULD you have hit them in 1:55 last week? Yes of course. But you also could have run them in 1:55 in November but the effort would have been harder.
I forgot, l did a long run before the 12x 600s the other day. I don't feel l could have hit under 2 minutes in November. I was rested,the weather was great, and l really was working hard, also l only did 10 as opposed to 12 last week. I took less recovery last week, and if it wasn't for the weather l could have done better. What l am asking is last weeks workout worth a 1:55 to 1:53 on a better day like in late November. I was basically running 2:06-1:59 in extremely cold temperatures for 12 reps. Can it be said that in normal conditions 1:55 would be easy for the 12 reps based off last weeks workout? -
Richie Richer wrote:
Were you on a track? You should have done them downwind if you were not doing loops.
Loop course. -
No. Cold weather allows your body to focus on running instead of cooling itself.
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Fanboy of the Fly wrote:
No. Cold weather allows your body to focus on running instead of cooling itself.
No way it was ice cold. I couldn't feel my legs . The question is would l have hit the times on a 70 degree day. -
We will never know...
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hot weather shuffler wrote:
We will never know...
I am saying how much time do you think the dangerously cold weather cost me? -
weather factor wrote:
hot weather shuffler wrote:
We will never know...
I am saying how much time do you think the dangerously cold weather cost me?
No, you're asking. -
You probably would run slightly slower in 70 degree weather because the body has to cool itself. That is why marathoners like 45 degree weather. IT allows them to run in shorts and a singlet but not to overheat.
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https://hetgeheimvanhardlopen.nl/en/calculator-2/
If you want to get crazy about it you can use this calculator to find a conversion for temperature and wind. -
Has it been said or asked if there was snow or ice on the surface? That will change things a lot.
Cold slows you down quite a bit on its own, especially as you go faster. But cold is usually not a single variable. Usually you will be slipping or at least always looking for good footing. You will also have more clothing, which is heavy and restrictive.
For me, I’ve been doing temp type runs at 6 mins lately. I go 2 miles if I’m outside, 6 if I’m on my treadmill. Seems equally challenging. Say typical outdoor weather for me has been 10f with sticky snow on the paved path (limited traction with heavy feet). -
Richie Richer wrote:
You probably would run slightly slower in 70 degree weather because the body has to cool itself. That is why marathoners like 45 degree weather. IT allows them to run in shorts and a singlet but not to overheat.
This is the dumbest answer! Running in serious cold is harder. I am not talking 60 degrees, but 15 degrees. 70 degrees is ideal workout weather. It is hard on so many levels at 15 degrees. You are working much harder and the muscles are not as lose.
