500,000 Americans Have Died of COVID

Harambe wrote:

noticer of stupidity wrote:

Debunked 1000 times. Do you have anything factual to show or are you going to continue to post charts put together by Dumb & Dumber?

All I am asking for is one link to a piece of data that suggests the excess deaths are not real

They are real. Why would anyone make them up?

It is the attribution that is spurious. Pneumonia is multifactorial. Air quality is probably a big factor along with many others.

knee jerk reactivity metric wrote:

They are real. Why would anyone make them up?

It is the attribution that is spurious. Pneumonia is multifactorial. Air quality is probably a big factor along with many others.

Wow!? What is the sudden source of pollution that killed 500k more people than expected since January 2020??!!

What entities will I agree to to provide me with data? How can anyone at this point listen to any other entities beyond a group of independent doctors, scientists, lawyers, and investigators is beyond me.

Do you know what a forensic investigation is? You know, where they analyze and scrutinize every little thing, using scientific methods?? You better believe every one of these sc*mbags and their bogus data absolutely must be scrutinized to an extreme limit.

The only hole is in your head. Do you actually think you're changing anyone's views with BS added to a heap of BS? Do you really think people are going to continue to believe in the "santa" of pandemics? Just stop the idiocy.

Harambe wrote:

Evidence is evidence wrote:

Lol. Standard of evidence?? How about at least a basic police forensic investigation level evidence? Have we as a public gone through anything remotely resembling at least that??

Jeezus, with this much impact on the public there should be a complete investigation of every governing body, every scientific claim, every mandate, every person responsible for influencing lockdowns, everything. But no, nothing has been investigated. What the hell are your standards for evidence? CDC write-ups? Johns Hopkins? CNN reports? AP? Biden speeches? If you think so then you have no clue about anything and should absolutely not speak of the matter.

Surely if there were a mass conspiracy there would be some evidence... we will wait!!

Is this where you realize you actually don't have anything other than spew BS all over the forum and then switch the topic?

80% of the UK realizes the BS. 70% of the US realizes this is BS. 90% of the rest of the world realizes this is BS. Then we have a few true believers. So true to their cause they are.

So amusing, yet so sad.

Harambe wrote:

Evidence is evidence wrote:

Lol. Standard of evidence?? How about at least a basic police forensic investigation level evidence? Have we as a public gone through anything remotely resembling at least that??

Jeezus, with this much impact on the public there should be a complete investigation of every governing body, every scientific claim, every mandate, every person responsible for influencing lockdowns, everything. But no, nothing has been investigated. What the hell are your standards for evidence? CDC write-ups? Johns Hopkins? CNN reports? AP? Biden speeches? If you think so then you have no clue about anything and should absolutely not speak of the matter.

Surely if there were a mass conspiracy there would be some evidence... we will wait!!

Wow.

How naive.

I disagree on the scale. I think it may be more than 10 times. A large proportion of Republicans believe the claims of Trump. There is nothing comparable in Britain.

Whenever any public figure breaks the rules in the UK it's a scandal. Politicians have had to resign for doing non-essential travel. But in the US it seems all completely voluntary. Trump's family declined to wear masks at the first debate. Republican politicians laughed when they were offered masks when locked in close quarters with Democrats when the Capitol was invaded. They continued to have events at the White House where everyone hugged.

In the Britain the 30 Tory MPs who opposed some of the restrictions aren't actively opposed to taking the virus seriously. They just believe the restrictions imposed by the government are disproportionate. That is completely different to the Republicans turning believe in the virus and precautions into a battle in the culture war where people are shamed or

Some people question the figures. A particularly contentious issue amongst the more sceptical elements of the UK (some Conservatives, The Spectator, The Telegraph) is whether some people die of another cause, but are classed as dying of covid because they had a positive test recently. So arguably the figures may have deliberately inflated (I don't think that's a conspiracy comparable to the Trump/Republican views: it's a hoax, it will disappear on 4th November, etc.).

The UK did drag their feet, but the US did to a greater extent. That's why I find the US death rates surprising. Yes, California and New York seem to have taken a European-style approach, but some states have pretty much remained open. Christmas was basically cancelled in the UK. Didn't millions still travel for Christmas in the USA, and Thanksgiving too? Wouldn't travel be expected to be much more hazardous in terms of infections in the USA (millions of people flying to see relatives, whereas in the UK people generally drive)?

Evidence is evidence wrote:

Is this where you realize you actually don't have anything other than spew BS all over the forum and then switch the topic?

Yawn, given plenty of information to you. Nothing but rhetoric from you. Even one link would be nice. Still waiting. Suspect I should get patient.

The consistent response to threads on subjects like Covid, election fraud etc suggests Letsrun needs another category, called Just Another Nutjob Conspiracy Theory. This board has no problem in posing an equivalence between fact and derangement.

Why is is that the lockdown and mandatory mask states are doing no better than the more open states?

Armstronglivs wrote:

The consistent response to threads on subjects like Covid, election fraud etc suggests Letsrun needs another category, called Just Another Nutjob Conspiracy Theory. This board has no problem in posing an equivalence between fact and derangement.

The Nutjob Forum? That's a perfect new location for you. Bye bye. and good riddance.

noticer of stupidity wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The consistent response to threads on subjects like Covid, election fraud etc suggests Letsrun needs another category, called Just Another Nutjob Conspiracy Theory. This board has no problem in posing an equivalence between fact and derangement.

The Nutjob Forum? That's a perfect new location for you. Bye bye. and good riddance.

Yet, here you are.

noticer of stupidity wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The consistent response to threads on subjects like Covid, election fraud etc suggests Letsrun needs another category, called Just Another Nutjob Conspiracy Theory. This board has no problem in posing an equivalence between fact and derangement.

The Nutjob Forum? That's a perfect new location for you. Bye bye. and good riddance.

Clearly, people disagreeing with the manner with which numbers are reported or the accurate nature of those numbers is only the realm of crazy conspiracy believing scientists and doctors....science is no longer allowed to be scrutinized says harambe, the man whose only purpose here is to hype covid to boost his stock earning. The man is a con already having admitted on other threads to have made 2 million of of covid last year. Disgraceful. All while demanding evidence without showing evidence. Where is the real evidence for 500,000 excess deaths? Why on Earth was the threshold of expected deaths idiotically lowered for 2020; this is the main reason for the high assumption of "excess". Mostly you just declare your assumptions truth until people provide evidence otherwise. So, I will make the assumption that the threshold of expected deaths is way too low and that that is a significant source of the 'excess' in 2020. Also, I will assume the covid tests are not accurate and grossly overestimate the actual numbers of cases and hence deaths. Then I will also assume the lockdowns killed more people than the virus. Now, like harambe, I will declare myself right until he proves me wrong with real data containing studies, not assumptive models. In the end, we may both be way off but at least I am not cheering on death and chaos to makes bank in the stock market. Lying scumbags like yourself have ruined the lives of 100s of millions with no remorse. It is shameful.

I've posted the CDC link dozens of times. Nobody has ever given me a reason to doubt their tabulation of excess deaths. Still waiting!

Here it is again:

I have data, you don't.

That's the big difference and why you look like a fool.

The Economist uses their own model for excess deaths and see's similar data to the CDC

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

Harambe wrote:

knee jerk reactivity metric wrote:

They are real. Why would anyone make them up?

It is the attribution that is spurious. Pneumonia is multifactorial. Air quality is probably a big factor along with many others.

Wow!? What is the sudden source of pollution that killed 500k more people than expected since January 2020??!!

It doesn't have to be a sudden source of pollution. The effects of previous years exposure to pollution in a patient with COPD is cumulative is it not?

One GLARING difference. Harambe posts raw data from multiple sources - you just "assume." Show me that the baseline death rate for 2020 was moved sufficiently lower for 100,000s of deaths? Or even moved lower at all? Go to the CDC dashboard here: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#dashboard The "line" for 2020 excess death threshold is not visibly different from 2017/18/19. If you have evidence of such renormalization PLEASE PLEASE post it. I would love to see it! Until then I am going to use the data I can find!

Lol. "multiple sources"

OMG. It's like idiot feeding idiot.