500,000 Americans Have Died of COVID

Go back and look at the math from this very thread. There are always misattributions in both directions and it is not at all clear whether 500k is an over or undercount, but if it IS an over count, it is not by a dramatic amount. If you want the math again I will post.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

It's just a simple fact.

The 500k number is a count of those who died from Covid.

But the Covid Deniers are beyond reach.

Fixed.

I know you desperately want to cling to that belief and so no have to admit you got taken but my God, how long can you ignore the obvious

55YO wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Wrong. Been debunked several times on this thread.

Out

Not debunked. Whined about, maybe, but not debunked.

Previously on the thread I demonstrated that Misattribution cannot explain a large percentage of Covid deaths. I can do the math again if you ask.

Note: misattribution goes in both directions, and there is no clear evidence about the direction the (relatively small) net error is in.

The Unkle wrote:

Where are all the publicly known people who have died of Covid?

All the pro and college athletes?

All the politicians?

All the tv and movie stars?

Terrence McNally lived on my block. Fvck you.

You are the most extreme of all of them. 25 million people have died of preventable causes over the past 15 years. We can prevent 25 million deaths over the next 10 years. Why not work toward saving those lives instead of trying to convince everyone that these 500,000 lives already lost are somehow deserving of a higher level of recognition? Trying to help people would get you some respect. But all you do is disrespect everyone instead. You should have the same level of respect for the living as you do for the dead. You seem to dislike all of us. But I could be somebody who dies today of Covid and then immediately you go from disliking me to putting me on a pedestal.

figgo wrote:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/OrVE4p5mY7Mx/

Once again... your source is a clickbait site that promoting a TV doctor's hot take on PCR testing variances. The variances that have been studied by actual institutions and verified?

In her own words: “What I will say is just because someone is medically qualified doesn’t necessarily mean they know anything about diagnostic testing and the intricacies of quantitative PCR.”

The "Dr" is a discredited sideshow who has lost her TV slot and has a weak YT following for her infomercial shilling.

Nice evidence!

the gullible, selfish and scared right wrote:

Once again... your source is a clickbait site that promoting a TV doctor's hot take on PCR testing variances. The variances that have been studied by actual institutions and verified?

In her own words: “What I will say is just because someone is medically qualified doesn’t necessarily mean they know anything about diagnostic testing and the intricacies of quantitative PCR.”

The "Dr" is a discredited sideshow who has lost her TV slot and has a weak YT following for her infomercial shilling.

Nice evidence!

thank you, except you didn't actually listen to the evidence.

you merely attacked the source.

ad hominem seems to be the preferred response when evidence contrary to the predominant narrative 'triggers' those who perpetuate the narrative

I've already provided in this thread ample empirical evidence and research highlighting the issues with the pcr test, mislabeling, misdiagnosing, and covid19 tabulations in general

some people, unfortunately, have found covid19 to be their new religion, one based on fear and paranoia, but more than that - comfort

people are comfortable in receiving government stimulus checks and unemployment while they sit at home and virtue-signal about how caring they are, while ironically ignoring the countless other deleterious effects, not from covid19, but from the disproportionate response to it

covid19 restrictions are creating a socialist underbelly/welfare state of uncritical thinkers and nonexistent doers

If I stab myself and die or you stab me and I die, what is the cause of death? Both are the same, a knife wound caused excessive bleeding.

Nope. You've failed, as all your type do, to attack the ONLY evidence that matters.Why are COVID-19 positive tests and excess deaths so tightly correlated across time and space. What is causing excess deaths aside from COVID-19? What is causing high numbers of COVID-19 positive tests in places of high excess deaths? You make arguments attacking either the COVID-19 tests OR excess death tabulation but not how they are tightly correlated - implying very strongly that COVID-19 is causing excess deaths. These threads always boil down to this point and you guys quickly try and divert to PCR thresholds (thresholds are fine, picking up small amounts of highly communicable virus is the point...) or death coding (no evidence COVID-19s are inaccurately coded - 91% list COVID as underlying cause) or whatever... Your refusal to address the combination of these data makes it very clear you hardly even believe your own arguments.

2600 bro wrote:

Why are COVID-19 positive tests and excess deaths so tightly correlated across time and space.

What is causing excess deaths aside from COVID-19?

What is causing high numbers of COVID-19 positive tests in places of high excess deaths?

You make arguments attacking either the COVID-19 tests OR excess death tabulation but not how they are tightly correlated - implying very strongly that COVID-19 is causing excess deaths.

These threads always boil down to this point and you guys quickly try and divert to PCR thresholds (thresholds are fine, picking up small amounts of highly communicable virus is the point...) or death coding (no evidence COVID-19s are inaccurately coded - 91% list COVID as underlying cause) or whatever...

Your refusal to address the combination of these data makes it very clear you hardly even believe your own arguments.

uhh... you just answered that question in your post...

True, EU kind of lockdown would be better in some way as then only some good step will be considered in regard to the pandemic, rest we need to be careful as well by keeping in mind and following the points recommended by the health department, hope some more good and effective steps might be taken by the authorities.

Thanks for proving my point :)

Estimates when we started to pay attention to this about a year ago was that we'd lose 1.5 million doing nothing, and 250K would be best-case.

Seems like we may end up at about the middle point.

Def not ignoring the countless other deleterious effects and the inadequate response to those issues and growing problems. What's not helping that situation change is people like you, believing bogus accusations against testing methods.

I know it's easy to throw around ad hominem to cover your credibility, but in this case, the source you provided is a joke and lacks any standing in the discussion. It would be the same as dropping some nonsense from InfoWars or Qanon facebook threads. It's not evidence, it's fantasy.

And to your last point - yes, things are potentially setting up to push parts of our society towards dependency, innaction and welfare cycles. However, I'm curious how trying to shine the conspiracy theory laser on the "falsehoods" of Covid is changing that? You're massively losing the information war and your standpoint is the laughing stock of the tenets of western civilization. Maybe it's time for you to move on and direct your energies into solving the problems you care about?

+1

2600 bro wrote:

Thanks for proving my point :)

What has been proven is that you and your other handles make a lot of noise but things are changing.

Yet no one can answer my question... (well aside from the obvious answer) Good efforts

j6dym wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Thanks for proving my point :)

What has been proven is that you and your other handles make a lot of noise but things are changing.

figgo wrote:

thank you, except you didn't actually listen to the evidence.

you merely attacked the source.

ad hominem seems to be the preferred response when evidence contrary to the predominant narrative 'triggers' those who perpetuate the narrative

I've already provided in this thread ample empirical evidence and research highlighting the issues with the pcr test, mislabeling, misdiagnosing, and covid19 tabulations in general

some people, unfortunately, have found covid19 to be their new religion, one based on fear and paranoia, but more than that - comfort

people are comfortable in receiving government stimulus checks and unemployment while they sit at home and virtue-signal about how caring they are, while ironically ignoring the countless other deleterious effects, not from covid19, but from the disproportionate response to it

covid19 restrictions are creating a socialist underbelly/welfare state of uncritical thinkers and nonexistent doers

Misunderstanding RT-PCR is not evidence.

You have provided no evidence of tabulation errors.

Yawn