figgo wrote:
the problem with these threads is the basic assumption...
the 500k number has been thoroughly debunked by many seasoned experts.
No, it has not been debunked. Facts are stubborn that way.
https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/WeeklyExcessAndCovidDeaths.pngHow well have those Euro lockdowns worked? Many places in Europe have higher fatality rates, worse impact on GDP and don’t have to worry about COVID in the summer because most places don’t have A/C but use natural ventilation.
Monkeys typing wrote:
figgo wrote:
the problem with these threads is the basic assumption...
the 500k number has been thoroughly debunked by many seasoned experts.
No, it has not been debunked. Facts are stubborn that way.
https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/WeeklyExcessAndCovidDeaths.png
Debunked 1000 times. Do you have anything factual to show or are you going to continue to post charts put together by Dumb & Dumber?
figgo wrote:
Common Cents wrote:
General request for this thread, can we please try to keep it as non political as possible so that there can be a real discussion. I doubt the families and friends of the 500K dead Americans care about the difference if if Biden or Trump was in office when their loved one died. Thank you!
the problem with these threads is the basic assumption...
the 500k number has been thoroughly debunked by many seasoned experts
others argue that the number is accurate
nobody really knows, but for the most part, people are tired of being restricted
a number that should be discussed, but is never, is the estimated number of people who have died as a result of covid restrictions. consider drug overdoses, suicides, people missing doctor appointments and 'elective' procedures (which can include heart problems), starvation, supply chain breakdowns and more
The U.N. estimated that over an additional 100 million people would be on the edge of starvation due to covid restrictions... but people don't consider this, the third world countries seemingly get largely ignored
if you want to talk about the 500k number, fine, but if you don't discuss the other effects, you appear one-sided and political debate becomes impossible to avoid
Post a single link "debunking" the 500k excess number for the USA please
noticer of stupidity wrote:
Debunked 1000 times. Do you have anything factual to show or are you going to continue to post charts put together by Dumb & Dumber?
All I am asking for is one link to a piece of data that suggests the excess deaths are not real
seattle prattle wrote:
The number of deaths, approaching 500 K. are real and accurate.
But don't believe me. Yahoo news fact checked allegations that CDC inflated the numbers and concluded that nothing of the sort happened and that the death count is accurate.
https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-false-claim-cdc-015437268.html
Yahoo news fact checking is now considered serious supportive evidence?
More evidence than anything else presented in this thread
Lead Foil Hat II wrote:
seattle prattle wrote:
The number of deaths, approaching 500 K. are real and accurate.
But don't believe me. Yahoo news fact checked allegations that CDC inflated the numbers and concluded that nothing of the sort happened and that the death count is accurate.
https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-false-claim-cdc-015437268.htmlYahoo news fact checking is now considered serious supportive evidence?
Its all a Hoax except for ones Cuomo killed.
Yessir, you are indeed correct. The haters cannot name 1 thing that Fraudci or the CDC have been consistent about. They want to live in fear, we want to live free....and we will.
Harambe wrote:
figgo wrote:
the problem with these threads is the basic assumption...
the 500k number has been thoroughly debunked by many seasoned experts
others argue that the number is accurate
nobody really knows, but for the most part, people are tired of being restricted
a number that should be discussed, but is never, is the estimated number of people who have died as a result of covid restrictions. consider drug overdoses, suicides, people missing doctor appointments and 'elective' procedures (which can include heart problems), starvation, supply chain breakdowns and more
The U.N. estimated that over an additional 100 million people would be on the edge of starvation due to covid restrictions... but people don't consider this, the third world countries seemingly get largely ignored
if you want to talk about the 500k number, fine, but if you don't discuss the other effects, you appear one-sided and political debate becomes impossible to avoid
Post a single link "debunking" the 500k excess number for the USA please
You did not even respond this guys link; you just keep pushing this excess death thing as proof, but all deaths totals are still estimates. Have they even released the official 2019 total yet? Post one official complete data filled, non estimation based, study proving your 500,000 excess deaths. The CDC very own chart makes weird drop in its expected total for 2020 over 2019, which is odd and seems to ignore the massive rising volume of elderly baby boomers hitting their mid 70s. Considering the trend, the CDC should have had higher expectation not lower, this clearly works to inflate the "excess" death numbers at a time when we really should be expecting more normal deaths as the BB population enters age brackets where deaths are considerably higher. You also have to consider that this population should be getting hit pretty hard with cancer deaths when you consider they were growing up through the only period in world history with active above ground nuclear testing. In the end, you ask for studies using data that is not available yet and your "proof" is based also on data not available yet? Funny, does this work to boost your stock profile as well? We all know that is what you are working on here, not being the bastion of covid truth.
We don't need more restrictions. We simply need the vaccine to be distributed immediately en masse. How in holy hell are not all efforts concentrated on distributing the vaccine? Why bother even testing. Use all the manpower at these testing sites to give the vaccine. All hands on deck to distribute the vaccine immediately ASAP.
Use everyone, military, national guard, police, firemen, teachers, everyone to distribute the vaccine. Why is this not the number one priority of the White House, every governor, every mayor, every city council? It's not that hard to give a friggin shot to someone.
Nothing else will work. Not restrictions. Not testing. Not masks. Not contact tracing. Not quarantine. WE NEED THE FRIGGIN VACCINE N.O.W!
the friggin vaccine wrote:
We don't need more restrictions. We simply need the vaccine to be distributed immediately en masse. Hofrom dragging this out and stallliw in holy hell are not all efforts concentrated on distributing the vaccine? Why bother even testing. Use all the manpower at these testing sites to give the vaccine. All hands on deck to distribute the vaccine immediately ASAP.
Use everyone, military, national guard, police, firemen, teachers, everyone to distribute the vaccine. Why is this not the number one priority of the White House, every governor, every mayor, every city council? It's not that hard to give a friggin shot to someone.
Nothing else will work. Not restrictions. Not testing. Not masks. Not contact tracing. Not quarantine. WE NEED THE FRIGGIN VACCINE N.O.W!
Bingo!!! The problem is there are a lot of people that benefit politically and financially from dragging this thing out and stalling the vaccination effort. This is the failure, we have the vaccines and instead of pushing this full throttle, they push double making even though it is already proven mask do next to nothing to mitigate the spread of the virus. We all wear them though, because we are not jerks, but they are not pushing the vaccines to the elderly quick enough and instead even push them towards the younger populations before the vulnerable have even gotten a jab. It is sad. Too many people are making big bank and they do not care how many die as long as this "pandemic" keeps chugging along.
the friggin vaccine wrote:
We don't need more restrictions. We simply need the vaccine to be distributed immediately en masse. How in holy hell are not all efforts concentrated on distributing the vaccine? Why bother even testing. Use all the manpower at these testing sites to give the vaccine. All hands on deck to distribute the vaccine immediately ASAP.
Use everyone, military, national guard, police, firemen, teachers, everyone to distribute the vaccine. Why is this not the number one priority of the White House, every governor, every mayor, every city council? It's not that hard to give a friggin shot to someone.
Nothing else will work. Not restrictions. Not testing. Not masks. Not contact tracing. Not quarantine. WE NEED THE FRIGGIN VACCINE N.O.W!
we deliver post to everyone in the country every day.
#LHRC wrote:
Yessir, you are indeed correct. The haters cannot name 1 thing that Fraudci or the CDC have been consistent about. They want to live in fear, we want to live free....and we will.
Somebody doesn't understand that science follows evidence and, as more evidence is found, the interpretation can change.
Fauci is doing exactly what a scientific adviser should do, and is saying broadly the same as scientific advisors in other countries. The problem is that he has been demonised by politicians and propagandists who don't like his message.
Don't shoot the messenger
Covid deaths are nearing the total deaths in the Civil War. I'm waiting for those figures to turn out to be a hoax, too. That Americans accepted the human cost of that terrible war without denying it, while many now deny the equivalent cost of this terrible pandemic, shows a fatal decline in American levels of intelligence in the last 160 or so years.
Common Cents wrote:
What is it going to take for Americans to acknowledge that we need a European style lockdown here? 500,000 Americans are now dead due to the irresponsible actions of many. We need to do something immediately before it’s too late!!
Cases and deaths per day are plummeting since January 12, all the while the vaccine is being rolled out to more than 1.5 million people per day. It will keep plummeting whether we lock down or don't lock down because of the amount of people being vaccinated (my grandparents just got vaccinated last week, just like a ton of other old people), unless the science that 95% of people vaccinated don't get sick is complete rubbish, do you not agree with science? I assume you're liberal, which means you should agree with that science.
Cases are plummeting wrote:
Common Cents wrote:
What is it going to take for Americans to acknowledge that we need a European style lockdown here? 500,000 Americans are now dead due to the irresponsible actions of many. We need to do something immediately before it’s too late!!
Cases and deaths per day are plummeting since January 12, all the while the vaccine is being rolled out to more than 1.5 million people per day. It will keep plummeting whether we lock down or don't lock down because of the amount of people being vaccinated (my grandparents just got vaccinated last week, just like a ton of other old people), unless the science that 95% of people vaccinated don't get sick is complete rubbish, do you not agree with science? I assume you're liberal, which means you should agree with that science.
Cases are plummeting wrote:
Cases and deaths per day are plummeting since January 12, all the while the vaccine is being rolled out to more than 1.5 million people per day. It will keep plummeting whether we lock down or don't lock down because of the amount of people being vaccinated (my grandparents just got vaccinated last week, just like a ton of other old people), unless the science that 95% of people vaccinated don't get sick is complete rubbish, do you not agree with science? I assume you're liberal, which means you should agree with that science.
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Let's do the math :-) We have a population of 330m, and assuming there are 30m antivax nuts let's go with 300m vaccinations at 1.5m per day will take 200 days, or more than 6 months for the first dose. Depending on the vaccine you'll need more than one dose.
What number of deaths is acceptable? Say the death rate averages 1000 per day, that's another 200,000 deaths. Is that acceptable to you so you don't have to wear a mask in public?
Harambe wrote:
noticer of stupidity wrote:
Debunked 1000 times. Do you have anything factual to show or are you going to continue to post charts put together by Dumb & Dumber?
All I am asking for is one link to a piece of data that suggests the excess deaths are not real
All anyone is asking for is any solid evidence that excess deaths are factual. I still have not seen any. Most have not. Sounds like you have something. Politically motivated/biased data is not evidence.
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