This ^
Your times aren't going to turn any heads, but you never know. Go for the academic end, factor in the financial aid, and let the rest fall where it may.
This ^
Your times aren't going to turn any heads, but you never know. Go for the academic end, factor in the financial aid, and let the rest fall where it may.
Most D3 schools have 1200 kids, not 12,000. That is why they are better. It is like having a large high school in Wisconsin with 2500 kids compete in sports against schools that have 250 kids. In addition, the WIAC schools are pretty bad academically.
I did not realize there was that much of a difference in enrollment size, but I looked it up and average undergrad enrollment at a NCAA DIII school is 2,750 and average at a WIAC is 9,000. That's so wild to me--I never realized my experience was that much different.
Definitely getting away from the original point of the thread, but what factors go into the "division" system? because if it was based on enrollment some of the WIAC schools could be considered DI (median DI undergrad enrollment is 9,000.
Just a CCIW rivalry thing
The average is only 2750 because the WIAC schools are skewing the average. Exclude them and it is 1500 for the rest.
Divisions are based on scholarships.
junk miles? wrote:
Definitely getting away from the original point of the thread, but what factors go into the "division" system?
IIRC there was a movement, some years back, to split up the D3s by undergraduate enrollment. I don't think anything came of it, but could be wrong about that.
Toward one end you have an NYU, with ~27,000 undergraduates; toward the other you have schools like Caltech, with fewer than a thousand. And I believe that those are not the endpoints of the population scale.
saved bell wrote:
Divisions are based on scholarships.
Correct. Athletic-related financial aid is not permitted at a D3.
And my experience (decades at a variety of D3 schools) is that schools adhere to that pretty well. Some people expect there to be phony "need"-based aid for athletes ("We decided whom we needed, and gave him a scholarship!"), but I really haven't encountered that. And it was certainly never available for the kids I recruited, some of whom won national championships.
Beloit and Carroll have 1400 students. North Central has 2700. It is embarrassing that they beat the WIAC schools in cross country every year.
saved bell wrote:
Beloit and Carroll have 1400 students. North Central has 2700. It is embarrassing that they beat the WIAC schools in cross country every year.
Not as embarrassing as North Central beating P5D1 schools.
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