I wish the "track purist" would stop minimalizing track performances! Super spikes and wave lights are not making athletes run faster! The sport is evolving..please let it.
I wish the "track purist" would stop minimalizing track performances! Super spikes and wave lights are not making athletes run faster! The sport is evolving..please let it.
distancerunningwizard wrote:
I wish the "track purist" would stop minimalizing track performances! Super spikes and wave lights are not making athletes run faster! The sport is evolving..please let it.
Yea okay, but they help a little bit and every little bit is what it takes to break records. If I had wave lights at my local 5k rather than the inaccurate splits on my watch, you can bet I would be running a little faster. Add that to improvements in track surfaces and that makes records more attainable.
races are on youtube now : put in "levin 2021 athletics 1500m world record"
follow links for others, for 3000m i had to put in "levin athletics 2021 3000m"
Men's 3000m indoor
Final
Place Name Birth Date Nat. Mark
1. Getnet WALE 16 JUL 2000 ETH 7:24.98
2. Selemon BAREGA 20 JAN 2000 ETH 7:26.10
3. Lamecha GIRMA 26 NOV 2000 ETH 7:27.98
4. Berihu AREGAWI 28 FEB 2001 ETH 7:29.24
5. Birhanu BALEW 27 FEB 1996 BRN 7:37.99
6. Tadese WORKU 20 JAN 2002 ETH 7:41.06
7. Mike FOPPEN 29 NOV 1996 NED 7:42.55
8. Djilali BEDRANI 01 OCT 1993 FRA 7:46.52
9. Jonas RAESS 08 MAR 1994 SUI 7:47.50
10. Yassin BOUIH 24 NOV 1996 ITA 7:47.98
11. Adel MECHAAL 05 DEC 1990 ESP 7:48.26
12. Davis KIPLANGAT 10 JUL 1998 KEN 7:49.27
13. Justus SOGET 22 OCT 1999 KEN 7:54.31
Vincent Kibet KETER 11 MAR 2002 KEN DNF
Mounir AKBACHE 14 MAR 1986 FRA DNF
Abdelaati IGUIDER 25 MAR 1987 MAR DNF
Boaz KIPRUGUT 18 MAY 1998 KEN DNF
The last sub 7:25 performance was 1999. Wale wasn’t born till 2000
Barega’s run was probably worth 7:25.5 if Girma hadn’t miscounted and stopped running. Slowed down Barega quite a bit.
If you can't run the pace, no amount of lights are going to change that. Desire and reality are two different things.
We have three choices:
1) Either some indoor athletes are choosing to peak for indoors because some indoor athletes believe either they can successfully double peak or some indoor T&F athletes doubt their outdoor abilities so peak training for indoors.
2) Indoor technology has significantly improved. I have doubts about the integrity of indoor tracks. I believe indoor track are returning energy to indoor runners. Logically a 200m track with tight turns should be slower. Since 200m dash & 400m dash are close to full stride events, indoor 200m & 400m athletes have to be aware of not over-striding and suffering lane violation but 3000m indoor athletes have no such worries.
3) Air quality indoors. Usually air quality is more toxic indoors with slightly lower oxygen content. It makes no sense that aerobic activities are performed at such a high level indoors, T&F. What steps are indoor arenas putting in place to counter naturally higher toxicity and naturally lower oxygen content indoors?
How do people watch these track meets? They aren't televised on standard cable networks, right?
Moron#5 wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
Never get excited about a fast 3000 on a modern indoor track. There's a reason they never go that fast outdoors
Every once in awhile you state something which at some level is ridiculous but has some ring of veracity. You are incorrect to minimize the performance BUT you are correct that indoor performances are often faster than outdoor and most do not understand this. Well done.
That's completely ridiculous. Indoor is slower than outdoor in every event. No exception. Even the incredibly indoor tracks like where Kejelcha ran his WR is noticeably slower than any outdoor track.
Bound4Glory wrote:
How do people watch these track meets? They aren't televised on standard cable networks, right?
This was broadcast on World Athletics YouTube channel and Facebook page.
before the next competition they should have an article up, like this one:
https://www.worldathletics.org/competitions/world-athletics-indoor-tour/news/how-to-watch-world-athletics-indoor-tour-meetbugattiaron wrote:
Moron#5 wrote:
Every once in awhile you state something which at some level is ridiculous but has some ring of veracity. You are incorrect to minimize the performance BUT you are correct that indoor performances are often faster than outdoor and most do not understand this. Well done.
That's completely ridiculous. Indoor is slower than outdoor in every event. No exception. Even the incredibly indoor tracks like where Kejelcha ran his WR is noticeably slower than any outdoor track.
No it's not completely ridiculous. - especially not over 3000m which just seems to be the perfect distance to run indoors. I know a few pros that have commented the exact same thing, which is that at 30-31 second per laps speed, the rhythm you get into at that speed just seems to fit indoors. Impossible to quantify, but I've heard that from multiple unrelated sources. When you get faster (and going from 30 second 200m pace to 28 second 200m in the mile/1500 is a huge jump) the tightness of the curve isn't as optimal as outdoors. Combining that with the potential advantages of temperature and no wind - it's not ridiculous to entertain that running 3000m indoors isn't really that less optimal than outdoors.
Looking at the world all-time lists over 3000m, the number 1 and 2 times ever really are outliers more than any other event. Between 7.25 and 7.26 you have a grouping that you would expect to see at just sub WR level with maybe 1 or 2 times very closely ahead of it (in the 7.24's - not 7.20 and 7.23 flat). Athletes in that group include Geb, Morceli and Bekele so it's a legit indication that a time in the 7.25's is very elite. Point being, it's hard to imagine that just shoes allowed Getnet Wale to essentially join/surpass that club. If the conditions weren't very good to run a 3000m indoors he's not getting close to that unless you are going to assume he's actually a 7.20.XX caliber athletes like Komen was which again, despite shoes and lights I find hard to believe just yet.
Running and indoor 3000m = very little difference to running an outdoor 3000m in terms of optimal conditions.
I thought the pacer did an incredible job. Just ticked off 30-flat 200s for 2k of work then Wale was able to cut it down to the finish. Absolutely perfect.
They had a huge unfair advantage--cheerleaders! In nearly 50 years of running I have never seen cheerleaders at a track meet. Where do I sign up to run that one?
bulbasaur wrote:
The last sub 7:25 performance was 1999. Wale wasn’t born till 2000
Ethiopian birth registrations are as effective as their drug testing.
Good chance it's the fasters non-EPO time ever?
British Guy wrote:
Good chance it's the fasters non-EPO time ever?
Fastest*
ukathleticscoach wrote:
bulbasaur wrote:
The last sub 7:25 performance was 1999. Wale wasn’t born till 2000
Ethiopian birth registrations are as effective as their drug testing.
Sure. Wale is 87, obviously, and aliens abduct East African teenagers and only drop them back on Earth when they are in their 30s.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Ethiopian birth registrations are as effective as their drug testing.
I would be bitter if my country couldn't do crap on the international stage too.
https://www.rt.com/sport/432960-ethiopian-runner-girmawit-gebrzihair-age-controversy/jsrj wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Ethiopian birth registrations are as effective as their drug testing.
Sure. Wale is 87, obviously, and aliens abduct East African teenagers and only drop them back on Earth when they are in their 30s.