master of this domain wrote:
I rest my case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x41fPUtNfTw&feature=emb_logo
You are showing a case where she absolutely should not have been DQed to justify what would be another inappropriate DQ.
I can show you a number of blown calls by officials in the history of sports.
Some happened last night in the Super Bowl.
hjkgod wrote:
Poor kid, has to go through life named Hobbs.
Being named after a cool stuffed tiger isn't a bad thing. Kid is fast as a cat.
Do you want to see what an earned DQ looks like:
Agree if that is the correct interpretation
I rewatched race three times and he literally is barely off the track for even a full stride
Saw him and another NAU recruit training in flagstaff with Willis. Nice to see it paid off for him. The longer stay at altitude at NAU will be a great help to him
There is some wiggle room here per Technical Rule 17.3: Lane Infringement... if the Referee is satisfied, on the report of a Judge or Umpire or otherwise, that an athlete has infringed this Rule, they or in the case of a relay event, their team shall be disqualified.
In other words, there first must be a report of Lane Infringement. Second, per the report, the Referee has to be "satisfied" that a Lane Infringement happened. And third, “shall” is not a word of obligation (mandatory) like "must".
Citing the wrong rule book.
The event was run under World Athletics rules
vntc wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
I would not be surprised if his mileage is low, just like some people are naturally anaerobic as-in sprinters, some people are also naturally aerobic and don't require as much mileage. The LRC is enamored with high mileage and thinks that's the way to go for everyone.; it's actually counterproductive for some kids. The amount of mileage also has to be in line with your stage of development, becasue you run fast times does not mean your body is ready for professional athlete type training. I think some of America's great athletes over trained at a young age and were worn down by their early to mid-20s. With Hoobs type talent, focus on development and save the super hard training for when money and global championship medals are at stake. I thought NAU was a bad choice for German Fernandez; training for and running a 10k XC race at age 17 was a bit too much. I know he was capable and had run long distances before, but becasue you can don't mean you should. With that said, I have always steered true middle distance runners away from schools competing for XC titles; Michigan, Georgetown, Penn State or a Nova type school would have been a better choice for me.
Luckily for you, German Fernandez didn’t run for NAU.
Oops, I meant Oklahoma.
He did not run for Oklahoma either
He ran for Oklahoma State and Dave Smith
NAU has two 3:39 guys
Plus Kessler is an 8:53 3200 guy from the summer/fall
And is a great XC runner at l ast at the 5K HS distance anyway
TrackCoach wrote:
vntc wrote:
Luckily for you, German Fernandez didn’t run for NAU.
Oops, I meant Oklahoma.
Which would have been the right correction had German Fernandez not run for Oklahoma State University
Oh Canada wrote:
master of this domain wrote:
You obviously have no idea of the rules.
A DQ does ***not*** require that a runner was "passing someone on the inside and took the one step to get by." That is ridiculous.
Runners in the 200-400 and steeplechase are DQd ***all the time*** for a half-inch of their forefoot touching the line on a bend. It's not just a matter of whether you pass someone. (There are countless examples of these DQs happening with no massive "advantage" achieved.)
***The rules are that you don't run inside the bend.*** Competitors have to complete the race in control of their movements, running at speed while also staying in the legal lane and not shortening the race.
This is why it is called a "rule."
Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda Blah, blah, blah...
The point is bucko, is he was not DQ'd. -Period-
Do you really think the officials are going to go back and ex post facto DQ him now?
Nope. New HS indoor record.
Next topic, please. Let this kid have his day in the sun.
The call on taking a step outside your lane is somewhat subjective. For a H.S. kid, most veteran officials won't raise the flag for one or two inadvertent steps for for a middle distance race. A newbie official might raise the flag. The tricky part of this is do you treat this is a pro race? The rules vary between the NHSF, USATF, IAAF, AAU, etc., and even U.S. states for H.S. competitions. The rules are also applied differently based on the age and level of competition. Usually the issue is a matter of whether an official called the DQ and/or there was a petition by someone. On one hand I would say Hobbs is ok becasue no one called it, but on the other hand, for records purposes people do sometimes make retroactive decisions when determining whether to ratify a record. I don't think anyone will disagree Hobbs legitimately ran the time and will get credit for it in a lot of places, but suspect it won't be ratified as the official NHSF record. Racing against pros puts this race in a different category; he may have had a better chance if it was a H.S. only race.
oldmanbythesea wrote:
Citing the wrong rule book.
The event was run under World Athletics rules
Citing was from the World Athletics Technical Rules book (Lane Infringement: 17.3).
WTF is up with American parents giving their kids stupid first names that are really just surnames?
Parker
Tyler
Hobbs
Hunter
Cooper
Etc, etc...
I know of no other country that does this.
can't help bring snarky wrote:
WTF is up with American parents giving their kids stupid first names that are really just surnames?
Parker
Tyler
Hobbs
Hunter
Cooper
Etc, etc...
I know of no other country that does this.
Oh we can do much worse than that! We have multiple layers below the middle to upper middle class and their surnames-as-names. We have the lower class whites and their Triniti and Jaxon; we have the lower class blacks and their Dramonzella and Lemonjello. We also have the richest man in the world and his son X Ae x12.
Is this kid any relation to Roy Hobbs? Seems like a Natural!
Speedgolfer wrote:
DC Wonk wrote:
TRP video now on YT:
https://youtu.be/WACCQiZNBjULol.
The goober narrating the video called him Kessler Hobbs like 8 times.
Goober also says "little did he know" about Willis, who apparently TRAINS with this kid.
FFS man fix your video.
can't help bring snarky wrote:
WTF is up with American parents giving their kids stupid first names that are really just surnames?
Parker
Tyler
Hobbs
Hunter
Cooper
Etc, etc...
I know of no other country that does this.
Are you kidding me?
Martin, Robert, Richard, Thomas, Richard. Those are very popular French first names. They are also 5 of the 6 most common last names in France.
kartelite wrote:
can't help bring snarky wrote:
WTF is up with American parents giving their kids stupid first names that are really just surnames?
Parker
Tyler
Hobbs
Hunter
Cooper
Etc, etc...
I know of no other country that does this.
Are you kidding me?
Martin, Robert, Richard, Thomas, Richard. Those are very popular French first names. They are also 5 of the 6 most common last names in France.
Sorry, last one was supposed to be Bernard.
kartelite wrote:
can't help bring snarky wrote:
WTF is up with American parents giving their kids stupid first names that are really just surnames?
Parker
Tyler
Hobbs
Hunter
Cooper
Etc, etc...
I know of no other country that does this.
Are you kidding me?
Martin, Robert, Richard, Thomas, Richard. Those are very popular French first names. They are also 5 of the 6 most common last names in France.
Congratulations for deliberately missing the point. Well done!
can't help being snarky wrote:
kartelite wrote:
Are you kidding me?
Martin, Robert, Richard, Thomas, Richard. Those are very popular French first names. They are also 5 of the 6 most common last names in France.
Congratulations for deliberately missing the point. Well done!
If your point was that you know nothing about other countries, that came across pretty clearly.
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