Tommy2Nuttz wrote:
Typical ignorant bigoted post by a sore loser..
You are speaking of yourself, not me.
I didn't want to go to that school, and instead went to the school I wanted to.
Tommy2Nuttz wrote:
Typical ignorant bigoted post by a sore loser..
You are speaking of yourself, not me.
I didn't want to go to that school, and instead went to the school I wanted to.
By your logic, let's open up college to professional level athletes in all sports.
Football, soccer, tennis, basketball, etc.
Then the recent HS grads will improve, and that will be sufficient. They can wait until their mid-20s to win the big competitions.
However, that is not the way sports has developed. Maybe it is not because they are cowardly.
Perhaps it seems that way to you because you never could hope to win a big meet, so no loss to you.
They are able to attract Kenyans because they use all their scholarships on 800/distance runners and so they are willing to give them full ride or very big scholarships where they would not be able to get that much money from many other schools.
Dude, we get it, you have been mad at ISU for a while, but the "I know you are but what am I?" defense is pretty lame. If you were good enough at running they would have offered you a scholarship and you weren't good enough. It's nobody's fault. Every post you just sound like a miserable whiner.
Fizzy O'Logic wrote:
Dude, we get it, you have been mad at ISU for a while, but the "I know you are but what am I?" defense is pretty lame. If you were good enough at running they would have offered you a scholarship and you weren't good enough. It's nobody's fault. Every post you just sound like a miserable whiner.
I've never been mad at ISU.
This forum gives people like you--whose words are much louder than your actions--a chance to unload the frustration because you were never good enough.
If I respond, then you feel validated.
The post I responded to was about Iowa State recruiting Kenyans for 40 years.
What about NAU or BYU or Notre Dame or Oregon or Tulsa? Why aren't they recruiting Kenyans?
These kids have the internet now and communicate with each other where they are getting the best deal. A few schools have been able to work the cost of attendance numbers in their favor and can provide a lot of income to a full scholarship athlete. Most of these kids send any extra money home. Alabama, Arkansas, Iowa State all benefitted from this situation and have attracted multiple Kenyan transfers. Also, these kids usually transfer and improve. All three schools are very well coached.
Since circa 1988, every school of engineering in U.S. has been majority foreign students. I am sure that is a commentary on U.S. K-12 education at most public schools. I only stated to you 151 Kenyans are sub-13:15 5000m men. You said something about post age 23. Kenyans clearly do not need to be 23 to race sub-13:15 5000m as I stated to you. If U.S. engineering schools educate the world, no problem with NCAA allowing cross country to be recreation for the world. Many on this site continue to bang head against brick wall and act if 5000m & 10000m and XC are properly promoted, 5000m & 10000m will be U.S. gold medal events. Is there letssprint in Ethiopia complaining about who is or is not keeping Ethiopian 100m sprinters from being great? If you are a U.S. grandparent, tell your grandkids to participate in 100m to 800m plus hurdles, jumps, sprints or throws. Complaining about Kenyans will not help.
The stats I looked at for US from 2012-2017 show that non-resident aliens are between 20% and 25% of engineering students in the US. Not the majority.
Kenyans clearly do need to be 23 or older to race sub 13:15 in NCAA meets, with a few exceptions, if not including PEDs and the new 'cheater' shoes.
I don't buy into the Kenyan mystique about distance running. As the PEDs are more controlled, the times are slower in most events.
I know too much about the long-time policy of Kenya's athletic commissions and athletes doing whatever it takes to make money, and PEDs were an integral part of Kenyans traveling to meets and road races for cash, so they could avoid the poverty of their lives.
Your post comes across as a foreigner wanting to benefit from US at the expense of US students, especially when you attempt idiomatic expressions. You are very biased, and I am just reporting facts.
If you or others are so good, no problem, but compete between 18-22.
Just remember, the Iowa State athletic department is paying for Kenyans to run for them. It makes no sense.
Alabama bssss wrote:
Just remember, the Iowa State athletic department is paying for Kenyans to run for them. It makes no sense.
Why should sport be any different from real life?
American companies hire the best workers regardless of where they come from.
American Universities hire the best scientists, professors and researchers from all over the world
Graduate schools in America attract the best students
This raises the strandards of the locals. Thats what makes America great. Its ability to attract the best.
What are you talking about? Iowa State's student body is more than 50% from Iowa and only 8% foreigners.
Last Friday wrote:
Alabama bssss wrote:
Just remember, the Iowa State athletic department is paying for Kenyans to run for them. It makes no sense.
Why should sport be any different from real life?
American companies hire the best workers regardless of where they come from.
American Universities hire the best scientists, professors and researchers from all over the world
Graduate schools in America attract the best students
This raises the strandards of the locals. Thats what makes America great. Its ability to attract the best.
Do you understand tariffs (direct tax on imports), duties on imports (indirect tax), and the purpose of trade agreements such as NAFTA?
What about work visas and the various restrictions and designations that foreigners are subjected to if they want to work for corporation in the USA?
Please note the restrictions in MLS for how many foreign 'football' players can be on a team.
Why weren't USA athletes allowed in the Commonwealth games? Because that is not how that competition was designed.
Similarly, the NCAA athletic competitions were not intended for foreign athletes to come over and exploit Americans because of loopholes intended for USA servicemen.
The physiology to excel in events such as 100, 200, 400, and to an extent the 800, is available to young athletes. The longer events favor older athletes, in that an 18 year-old male may run a high quality 5k or 10k, but they could then be expected to do even better at 21, and definitely by 25, if they continue to compete and have quality coaching. Doesn't mean they will do better, but the physical changes does tend to favor older runners. Physical changes in women are not always to the advantage to run faster as they mature.
It doesn't raise the standards of the USA athletes when having no chance to win because of over-aged participants. Shall the NCAA basketball rosters be filled with EU professional players in their mid-to-late 20s who can use the NCAA as a platform to be drafted by the NBA? How will that raise the standards? It won't. Instead, it removes some of the incentives for US HS players to excel, because the opportunities for scholarship, and to be a starter, are greatly diminished.
Russia persisted in occupation of Afghanistan in 1980 because President Carter was foolish enough to think the threat of a boycott of the Olympics would force Russia to withdraw troops. Instead, Russia wanted the US out (African countries also) so that Russian athletes had better chances to get medals. Hitler had wanted the games to prove Aryan superiority. The public responds to athletic success and such success helps them accept the current regime. This is why the Soviet-bloc (and Cuba) had massive PED programs for all athletes, who accepted the much better lifestyles while competing, rather than face near poverty if not an athletes. Same economic incentives with African countries and their athletes.
Sorry, but your arguments are full of holes, and come across as a veiled attempt to keep the free ride for foreigners that rely on unfair advantages. The incentives are great for unscrupulous coaches and athletes in distance running, and that alone explains the proliferation of African distance runners who are competing in the NCAA although over 23 years of age.
If you are 18-22 years of age, then you could be allowed the opportunity to compete.
kenya wrote:
These kids have the internet now and communicate with each other where they are getting the best deal. A few schools have been able to work the cost of attendance numbers in their favor and can provide a lot of income to a full scholarship athlete. Most of these kids send any extra money home. Alabama, Arkansas, Iowa State all benefitted from this situation and have attracted multiple Kenyan transfers. Also, these kids usually transfer and improve. All three schools are very well coached.
What extra money is there to send home?