Nico Young - top 10 guy at NCAAs?

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  • These guys are good
    3 weeks ago 02/03/2021 2:43pm CST
    re: 007dooby
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    007dooby wrote:
    South RT wrote:
    FastTuohy wrote:
    post race interviews on Flotrack both BYU and NAU are seem to be saying XC is the focus, top guys might not even run Indoors. Mantz said he didn't feel that great during the race, so he just sat and kicked vs pushing the pace harder.


    Mantz didn't feel good because Nico pushed him to the max.


    No Mantz didn't feel good because he just got over a stress fracture in December


    I don’t know about that. He just ran 7:58 for 3000 indoors on a 5 laps to the mile track up at Provo’s elevation. He’s fit. If anything, he’s tired because he’s doing volume through a lot of these races. I wouldn’t doubt if he was pushed on a bad day, just trying to get the win at the end.

    Kid ran 10.5 miles after the race. I don’t get that unless taking the next day off. Do the three mile cool down, then maybe a shakeout run in the evening. But, I’m not a coach, so...

    For anyone thinking the course was short, most watches had it a little over 5 miles, which sounds right if it was 8k. Very flat though.
  • Furiously Curious
    3 weeks ago 02/03/2021 3:14pm CST
    re: These guys are good
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    "For anyone thinking the course was short, most watches had it a little over 5 miles, which sounds right if it was 8k."

    Uhh 8k is short of 5 miles
  • oqew
    3 weeks ago 02/03/2021 3:36pm CST
    re: Furiously Curious
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    Yeah but GPS watches usually overestimate the actual distance.
  • OC4
    3 weeks ago 02/03/2021 3:42pm CST
    re: oqew
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    oqew wrote:
    Yeah but GPS watches usually overestimate the actual distance.


    This. Run a 5k on the track and would not be surprised if your GPS watch says you "ran" 3.30 or 3.35 miles
  • Would have an asterisk
    3 weeks ago 02/03/2021 3:52pm CST
    re: birdbeard
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    birdbeard wrote:
    Would have an asterisk wrote:
    This year a top 10 doesn't mean as much, there's a split focus on track and field and cross country. I'll be more impressed if he scores points (top 8) at the outdoor track championships.


    Eh I'd say those two things are somewhat on par this year. I agree that NCAA XC will be watered down this year, but the different events in track water it all down a bit too, either because guys are tired running multiple events or because they don't run multiple events. I would actually be somewhat surprised if a guy that ran 7:56 a year ago 13:44 in December wasn't able to score points in whichever event he chooses (presumably the 5000, but possibly the 10,000 I suppose).


    13:44 is still a ways away from scoring points at the NCAA championships. I ran faster than 13:44 fairly recently in the NCAA and didn't score points, there are tons of guys these days that can run faster than that. You've probably got to be a 13:35 guy or better this year to be top 8 in the 5k, especially since there is an extra year of athletes from covid that are back.
  • oqew
    3 weeks ago 02/03/2021 4:57pm CST
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    Would have an asterisk wrote:
    birdbeard wrote:
    Would have an asterisk wrote:
    This year a top 10 doesn't mean as much, there's a split focus on track and field and cross country. I'll be more impressed if he scores points (top 8) at the outdoor track championships.


    Eh I'd say those two things are somewhat on par this year. I agree that NCAA XC will be watered down this year, but the different events in track water it all down a bit too, either because guys are tired running multiple events or because they don't run multiple events. I would actually be somewhat surprised if a guy that ran 7:56 a year ago 13:44 in December wasn't able to score points in whichever event he chooses (presumably the 5000, but possibly the 10,000 I suppose).


    13:44 is still a ways away from scoring points at the NCAA championships. I ran faster than 13:44 fairly recently in the NCAA and didn't score points, there are tons of guys these days that can run faster than that. You've probably got to be a 13:35 guy or better this year to be top 8 in the 5k, especially since there is an extra year of athletes from covid that are back.


    He wasn't in great shape when he ran the 13:44, I think he was injured a month before that and was still getting used to NAU training. He also ran an 8:10 3k a week or 2 before the 5k, he can probably run a 7:50 now. He should be at least be a 13:35 guy by the time NCAAs roll around.
  • Andrew23
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    3 weeks ago 02/03/2021 10:14pm CST
    re: oqew
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    nico young annoying
  • birdbeard
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    2 weeks ago 02/04/2021 11:34am CST
    re: oqew
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    oqew wrote:
    Would have an asterisk wrote:
    birdbeard wrote:
    Would have an asterisk wrote:
    This year a top 10 doesn't mean as much, there's a split focus on track and field and cross country. I'll be more impressed if he scores points (top 8) at the outdoor track championships.


    Eh I'd say those two things are somewhat on par this year. I agree that NCAA XC will be watered down this year, but the different events in track water it all down a bit too, either because guys are tired running multiple events or because they don't run multiple events. I would actually be somewhat surprised if a guy that ran 7:56 a year ago 13:44 in December wasn't able to score points in whichever event he chooses (presumably the 5000, but possibly the 10,000 I suppose).


    13:44 is still a ways away from scoring points at the NCAA championships. I ran faster than 13:44 fairly recently in the NCAA and didn't score points, there are tons of guys these days that can run faster than that. You've probably got to be a 13:35 guy or better this year to be top 8 in the 5k, especially since there is an extra year of athletes from covid that are back.


    He wasn't in great shape when he ran the 13:44, I think he was injured a month before that and was still getting used to NAU training. He also ran an 8:10 3k a week or 2 before the 5k, he can probably run a 7:50 now. He should be at least be a 13:35 guy by the time NCAAs roll around.


    ^^^^ this.
  • garciaj369
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    3 days ago 02/21/2021 10:26am CST
    re: oqew
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    During the battle born collegiate challenge nico young beat Luis with nur slightly beating him by .2 milliseconds (22:30.5 and nico with 22:30.7) so I think he has a real shot
  • 2 TENTHS of a second
    3 days ago 02/22/2021 1:46am CST
    re: garciaj369
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    garciaj369 wrote:
    During the battle born collegiate challenge nico young beat Luis with nur slightly beating him by .2 milliseconds (22:30.5 and nico with 22:30.7) so I think he has a real shot


    Nur did not beat Young by only 2 milliseconds.
  • Luis G
    2 days ago 02/22/2021 10:12am CST
    re: 2 TENTHS of a second
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    For people that watched the race, did it look like Grijalva shut it down/ didn't make an attempt to catch Nur/Young/Herrera?

    If he just couldn't respond, I find it hard to believe he would be a title contender in a few weeks.
  • red5
    2 days ago 02/22/2021 10:40am CST
    re: Luis G
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    Luis G wrote:
    For people that watched the race, did it look like Grijalva shut it down/ didn't make an attempt to catch Nur/Young/Herrera?

    If he just couldn't respond, I find it hard to believe he would be a title contender in a few weeks.


    That’s because he isn’t.
  • what are you talkn bout
    2 days ago 02/22/2021 10:44am CST
    re: Luis G
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    Sort of hard to see after he dropped back a bit. But I think he was trying. Too many people were ready to hand him the title. How many NCAA titles does he have? I think the top 3 NAU guys will finish about 6-7-8 in the meet.
  • dinguss
    2 days ago 02/22/2021 11:30am CST
    re: OC4
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    OC4 wrote:
    oqew wrote:
    Yeah but GPS watches usually overestimate the actual distance.


    This. Run a 5k on the track and would not be surprised if your GPS watch says you "ran" 3.30 or 3.35 miles


    This effect is only seen on the track though. Look on Strava and see the shape that is being recorded - it's more like a square or a triangle - that's the source of error (known as interpolation error) on the track. Cross country courses with much fewer curves than a track are going to be more accurate.
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