Best Oregon team ever. No question. They will break every single record at Oregon.
Best Oregon team ever. No question. They will break every single record at Oregon.
They'll need to win at least a handful of individual national titles and bring home a team title to do that. Records are nice but Oregon legends are legends for national titles, not running fast time trials.
Foolish. Think about this. You run 4:15 in high school and set your school record and win the state meet your junior and senior years. Four years later, your little brother runs 4:01 but gets second at state to Hobbs Kessler. Third place is 4:14. You think you are better than your brother?
This is the NCAA, great runners win individual titles and great teams win team titles every year. All time great teams and runners win fistfuls of titles. This isn't random state meets, where winning times and runners fluctuate year to year.
Best team ever assembled without question. Teare: #1 NCAA, #3 US & #7 World All-Time
Hocker: #2 NCAA, #4 US & #8 World All-Time
Hunter: #6 NCAA & #1 Australian All-Time. Number 1, 2, and 6 in NCAA all time and you are questioning if they are the best team? They are the better than an all time all star team.
I'll take Cheserek, Rupp and Prefontaine on my all-star team, along with their billion national titles. You can take your all-star team and their current zero national titles. Of course, the new guys could change my mind, but it won't change until they start dominating the big races and stacking the trophy cabinet, not record books.
I will take the top 2 milers of all time.
lol I will definitely still take cheserek over either of them.
they are great but if you think these dudes are better than cheserek idk what you tell you man. 17 NCAA titles speaks for itself.
saved bell wrote:
I will take the top 2 milers of all time.
Top two time trialers of all time.
libertariansarestupe wrote:
saved bell wrote:
I will take the top 2 milers of all time.
Top two time trialers of all time.
Yeah, let's pump the brakes a bit. Cooper Teare and Cole Hocker are amazing, but the best Teare has placed at a national meet is 4th (indoors).
I am guessing he'll win a title this year, but respect the dudes that have come before.
birdbeard wrote:
libertariansarestupe wrote:
Top two time trialers of all time.
Yeah, let's pump the brakes a bit. Cooper Teare and Cole Hocker are amazing, but the best Teare has placed at a national meet is 4th (indoors).
I am guessing he'll win a title this year, but respect the dudes that have come before.
It's not fair to use championships as a metric now because these guys have lost 3 NCAA championship meets.
1. 2020 indoors
2. 2020 outdoors
3. 2020 cross country
If you put Teare and Ches in a race against each other RIGHT NOW, Teare wins easily. Hocker wins easily against Ches right now. Enough said.
Why do you keep saying "right now"?
That's not the way to argue best of all time.
If you put Teare and Ches in a race against each other RIGHT NOW, Teare wins easily. Hocker wins easily against Ches right now. Enough said.
In the mile? Maybe.
Cheserek has a 7:46, 13:09, and 27:23 to his name in the last 12 months so I don't buy that Teare wins "easily."
Don't use the word lost because so many posters are clueless that they will think it means they actually lost in a competition. But you are right on the mark. Teare and Hocker can realistically run 3:30 and 12:59 before graduating and many people here will still say that they aren't as good as the guys who came before them.
birdbeard wrote:
If you put Teare and Ches in a race against each other RIGHT NOW, Teare wins easily. Hocker wins easily against Ches right now. Enough said.
In the mile? Maybe.
Cheserek has a 7:46, 13:09, and 27:23 to his name in the last 12 months so I don't buy that Teare wins "easily."
Ches ran 13:21 in his most recent 5k. 7:46.7 in his most recent 3k (compared to Teare 7:46.10). 3:59 in his last mile.
And Teare has run 3:50, 7:46 and 13:17 just in his last 3 meets. And his 3k was a double.
Your Oregon "GOAT" is in his 4th year as a pro and is still running slower than Teare.
But, but, but, Ches won so many titles. It doesn't matter that that he would anchor Oregon's JV DMR team if he was on the team this year.
high school coach 756325 wrote:
Your Oregon "GOAT" is in his 4th year as a pro and is still running slower than Teare.
lol I don't even know how to respond to that. all of Ches's PRs (3:49/7:38/13:04) are faster than Teare's. You're only going to look at literally the very last race they ran? Not even against each other?
Cheserek ran 7:40i in college. It's not like Teare is on a different level. And when it comes to beating college competition, Cheserek is in a league of his own.
Done Everything wrote:
But, but, but, Ches won so many titles. It doesn't matter that that he would anchor Oregon's JV DMR team if he was on the team this year.
lol Cheserek beat Lawi Lalang--who had previously ran 13:00--by SIX SECONDS when he won his first NCAA outdoor title.
it's hard to compare eras and the Oregon boys have had a lot of time to time trial some PRs this year -- Ches was just racing, very rarely went for time in college. You can't compare the two things, and even still, Ches had some times (like his 7:40i) that blow Teare's out of the water. Not even Cooper Teare would claim to be a better college runner than Edward Cheserek.
You can compare them. The Oregon record board compares them. The NCAA record list compares them. You should write to the Oregon AD and the NCAA leadership and tell them to take down Teare's mile record.
I am Woman wrote:
You can compare them. The Oregon record board compares them. The NCAA record list compares them. You should write to the Oregon AD and the NCAA leadership and tell them to take down Teare's mile record.
yes, let's just compare only their times, and ignore all the other factors at play in what makes a dominant runner, like the type of race they are in-whether it be tactical or a time trial--the tpe of technology at play, the context of the race and the times.
congrats alan webb, you're America's best ever miler! step aside, olympic champ Matt Centrowitz, silver medallist Jim Ryun, and multiple-time world/olympic chap and medalist Bernard Lagat!