FACT: Electric vehicles will NOT replace gasoline engine vehicles anytime soon

Depends where you are. 1) For 90%+ of road miles in California the infrastructure exists. 2) The will become more sparse as there is less demand. Look at Norway. 3-5) What? You need all those things for electric cars too... feels like you just wanted to pad your list!

not gonna wrote:

The infrastructure for electric vehicles does not exist.

Gas stations are not going away.

Car dealerships are not going away.

Auto mechanics are not going away.

Car repair stores are not going away.

not gonna wrote:

The infrastructure for electric vehicles does not exist.

Gas stations are not going away.

Car dealerships are not going away.

Auto mechanics are not going away.

Car repair stores are not going away.

I am saying that all along.

The main problem with electric cars is the charging. There are way too many "standards" around. And Tesla's effort to sell cars without dealerships will probably also fail.

But hey, Tesla stock is $844 almost 10 times as much as a year ago, so they must be right.

It took about 50 years for the horse age to give way to cars and trucks.

The only thing we're changing here are engines.

California will be nearly 100 percent electric in 20 years. You'll have the same hooptie cars and trucks we have now, living on gas found on the black market for maybe another 10 years.

2050 and it's all electric. Right about the time you can jump onto a rocket for a weekend on Mars.

20 years is relatively soon for a complete change of that magnitude, and that's reasonably possible. Especially for companies that have primarily served to develop internal combustion engines, gasoline, and fuel additives. They need to start moving on major shifts in the industry now if they want to exist in 20 years.

Electric vehicles have been around for decades. They still haven't taken off. Non electric cars keep improving and dominating.

In 2050 we have finally ran out of extractable oil. Which is needed to produce pretty much everything.

I will never understand that "electric car" thing. The electric power has to come from somewhere. And that needs oil.

You need oil to produce concrete for dams.

You need oil to produce solar panels

You need oil to build atomic power plants

You need oil to produce steel and plastic parts

You need oil to produce pretty much everything man made.

Horses will have a comeback starting in 2038.

not gonna wrote:

The infrastructure for electric vehicles does not exist.

Gas stations are not going away.

Car dealerships are not going away.

Auto mechanics are not going away.

Car repair stores are not going away.

The infrastructure for gas powered vehicles didn't exist early on either. It was built out as demand grew.

And Tesla isn't the only one selling EVs. More traditional automakers will enter the market as well as some new ones. The sales structure will evolve as it already is with online purchasing.

I agree that in 30 years gas-powered vehicles will be obsolete. Only collectors and hobbyists will own them.

Why are we talking about electric cars when it is clear that self flying cars will be ready by 2024. Am I the only one that knows about this??

The entire concept of massive EV use is moronic and ignorant. Electricity doesn't just appear out of nowhere. The excess demand will be met by excess supply converted from fossil fuels, which is inefficient and counterproductive.

And then there's batteries, a whole new layer of inefficiency compounded by the hidden environmental footprint of creating, maintaining and disposing of them.

If you think EV's are carbon-negative, prove it.

You sir are the reason Letsrun has been ruined. I used to come on here to witness high quality dialogue between members of the running community. And now it is full of "trolls" like yourself who do nothing all day except make a mockery of this wonderful website.

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Henry Ford II wrote:

In 2050 we have finally ran out of extractable oil. Which is needed to produce pretty much everything.

I will never understand that "electric car" thing. The electric power has to come from somewhere. And that needs oil. Renewables

You need oil to produce concrete for dams. I guess you mean coal, but there are already alternatives, from biomass to hydrogen to plasma etc

You need oil to produce solar panels

You need oil to build atomic power plants

You need oil to produce steel and plastic parts

You need oil to produce pretty much everything man made.

Ditto on everything else

Horses will have a comeback starting in 2038.

Although, if you start riding your horse, you will contribute to energy saving

Excuse me looking_4_fortnite_gf, you call me a troll when but look at your username. Have you even ran a sub 5 mile before????

Every energy change in history had the same arguments, the visionaries, the ones that believe and contribute to change and then the Wigginses

thatdistancerunner007 wrote:

Excuse me looking_4_fortnite_gf, you call me a troll when but look at your username. Have you even ran a sub 5 mile before????

Okay, kid, I'll bite. You know you remind me a lot of my son Jordan. He's an entitled Gen Z'er just like you. If you must know I chose this username to hopefully avoid the "roasts" from people. And I'll have you know back in my day I competed for a couple AAU titles back when track was something to be proud of!!!

steve the addict wrote:

Electric vehicles have been around for decades. They still haven't taken off. Non electric cars keep improving and dominating.

Development of newly designed internal combustion engines has been halted by many automakers. They will continue to produce their current engines for years, but they have recently stopped development. What does this tell you?

looking_4_fortnite_gf wrote:

thatdistancerunner007 wrote:

Excuse me looking_4_fortnite_gf, you call me a troll when but look at your username. Have you even ran a sub 5 mile before????

Okay, kid, I'll bite. You know you remind me a lot of my son Jordan. He's an entitled Gen Z'er just like you. If you must know I chose this username to hopefully avoid the "roasts" from people. And I'll have you know back in my day I competed for a couple AAU titles back when track was something to be proud of!!!

Wait, my name is Jordan. Dad???

thatdistancerunner007 wrote:

looking_4_fortnite_gf wrote:

Okay, kid, I'll bite. You know you remind me a lot of my son Jordan. He's an entitled Gen Z'er just like you. If you must know I chose this username to hopefully avoid the "roasts" from people. And I'll have you know back in my day I competed for a couple AAU titles back when track was something to be proud of!!!

Wait, my name is Jordan. Dad???

Oh Christ, don't tell your mom about this!

I agree that it’s not very likely but future events can’t be facts.

Bad Wigins wrote:

The entire concept of massive EV use is moronic and ignorant. Electricity doesn't just appear out of nowhere. The excess demand will be met by excess supply converted from fossil fuels, which is inefficient and counterproductive.

And then there's batteries, a whole new layer of inefficiency compounded by the hidden environmental footprint of creating, maintaining and disposing of them.

If you think EV's are carbon-negative, prove it.

I agree that EVs are not carbon negative, and likely not even that green at the end of the day. Sure, less emissions, but there is the mining of Lithium, the transport of Lithium via fossil fuel vehicles, and the fossil fuels needed to charge the battery and the disposals of the batteries when they are obsolete. .

That said, I do think there will be massive adoption of EVs, maybe even to the tune of 50% of vehicle sales in 10 years. Once there is a better solution to charging, or you can get the 500-600 mile range for less than $100K, people will convert and like in CA, forced to convert. Benz, BMW, VW, Ford and GM are going to bring them to the masses.

I love my petrol motors, loud exhaust, and lightweight, engaging sports cars. EVs are none of those. I might get an EV for my wife, but I will be a manual transmission, petrol engine driver for life.