Alright.....women's NCAA sports ruined of Biden's first day. Transgenders are same at federal $$ institutions.

It's more complicated than that. HS transgender athletes do not do hormone treatments so they are not eligible to run their freshman year. It would also take a scholarship level guy to become a female good enough to receive one. If he received a scholarship as a guy out of HS he would lose it if he transgendered during college. He signed a letter of intent to run on the men's teams and the school would not be obligated to give her another one if she ran well enough to warrant one for the women's team after transitioning.

A guy talented enough to earn a scholarship would be an idiot to transgender before graduating from college.

Biden has nothing to do with NCAA rules.

Let's share a tweet from a prominent black lesbian who understands this all.

https://twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1352220617727160321

The idea that trans women should be allowed to compete without hormone treatment is just laughable. It's really insulting to feminists as well.

If you think they should be allowed to compete with no restrictions, then you are saying the only reason why women aren't nearly as good as men at sports is because they are mentally weak when in reality that's absurd - it's biology. The reason why elite women's sports is about the same as boys HS sports for most sports isn't in women's heads.

Someone on here said it won't matter if it's just .3% of the population.

I disagree. The way to fight back against this insanity is to round up every single high school boy in the country who runs 4:25 in the mile and can't get a D1 offer. Tell them to self-identify as a woman and they will get a full ride.

I don't understand your last paragraph. A HS boy can't self-identify as a female and compete in the women's division in college. If you did tell them to do what you suggested, every single one of them would say no anyway.

Who is saying anything about letting transgenders competing without hormone treatment?

My god guys, Biden signed an EO broadly speaking about protecting against descrimination for trans. Yes, it has a broad line related to ensuring they are allowed to play sports. But can we be real for a second...

1. This would be political suicide. He and his advisors are not that stupid.

2. I would bet money Biden is on the side of Women. Not speaking politically here...just his own opinion...100% he would think this is bad for women. His own wife is a runner. He has many close girl grandchildren.

3. Do you really think he has even put much thought into this specific issue within the overall LGBT issues? Doubtful.

4. Within the coming days, there will be clarification (though very carefully I imagine).

5. His advisors are 100% giving him some clarity on this at the moment. I imagine it is brought up at the WH breifing tomorrow.

6. At the end of the day, his Admin won't touch this in any way. For or against. This EO will be the end of his touch regarding trans/sports. What is already happening now will continue...and the States will be responsible for what happens going forward.

You refuse to recognize the purpose of the EO. Biden is of the opinion that people can change gender at the drop of a hat. The EO is intended to end discrimination based on gender identity. That discrimination does exist today. So yes, a HS boy will be able to check the block on her recruiting form that he is female. No other questions will be allowed to be asked by the coach. You seem to think that a coach when he finally meets the girl on the first day of practice next August, will be dumb enough to ask the girl if she has a penis and has taken hormone treatments? He would be fired on the spot based on this EO.

rojo wrote:

The way to fight back against this insanity is to round up every single high school boy in the country who runs 4:25 in the mile and can't get a D1 offer. Tell them to self-identify as a woman and they will get a full ride.

And it shouldn't be hard to recruit a nationwide detachment of random decent local guys capable of times like 15:15-31:30-1:09:00 to start signing up as women at races that offer a few hundred bucks for the winners and taking all of the prize money with ease. In theory, no one could contest the idea that they didn't all just wake up one day feeling a new life vibe. The running world would suddenly be rich in previously unknown elite women with names like Weldona, and as with the scholarship allotment, I think it would force people to wake up to the reality of the overall costs of what sometimes appears to amount to whimsical gender choosing.

People are genuinely insane about this, There's an ACLU lawyer consistently makes claims like "Trans women are biological women," as if trying to gaslight the world into accepting this, and apparently people have been banned from Twitter for disputing these flat-Earthism-like ideas. The reality is that some of these teenagers now winning girls' titles go home and, among other things, masturbate their penises to orgasm just like most adolescent boys do. Sure, stuff like that is crass and indelicate, but so is screwing with girls' sports using a barrage of lies and intentional confusion.

The E.O. is directed at federal agencies and their plans to address discrimination. Sharon McMahon breaks down the E.O. on her IG story:

https://instagram.com/sharonsaysso?igshid=1iwedb11lulqa

If I'm a race directer, I'm not handing out checks to mediocre male runners claiming to be women and no court is going to force me to do so. If they did, I would cancel the race.

Again, this the part of Biden's EO that addresses sports:

"Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports"

What makes you think it's the go-ahead for a wave of males to invade women's road racing?

Biden was a football player in college and no person that is interested in sports is going to be agreeable to what you're suggesting.

What is the criteria that you use at your race? Isn't it self certification?

Coach of a athletes wrote:

What is the criteria that you use at your race? Isn't it self certification?

Nah government id. Normally people take your word for it but even now and then there are challenges.

I know the right wing guys think there are 100's of nut jobs who will show up claiming to be female. There aren't. There will be a couple trying to make some political statement and that is about it.

KMB wrote:

And it shouldn't be hard to recruit a nationwide detachment of random decent local guys capable of times like 15:15-31:30-1:09:00 to start signing up as women at races that offer a few hundred bucks for the winners and taking all of the prize money with ease. In theory, no one could contest the idea that they didn't all just wake up one day feeling a new life vibe. The running world would suddenly be rich in previously unknown elite women with names like Weldona, and as with the scholarship allotment, I think it would force people to wake up to the reality of the overall costs of what sometimes appears to amount to whimsical gender choosing.

I am not sure what planet you are living on... local road races are not subject to this, and if HS athletes were accepting prize money at these races they would not be eligible to compete in HS or college.

As others have mentioned, the NCAA requires a year or hormone therapy, so if they ran those races without lowering their testosterone levels, no college coach would give them a women's scholarship based on those times. At the elite level you have to not only be on hormone therapy, but you have to prove your testosterone levels were below the required limit every month for 12 months leading up to competition, and every month after that as long as you want to compete.

Reducing hormone levels will be manipulated by the clever.

No WADA type checks.

Coach of a athletes wrote:

What is the criteria that you use at your race? Isn't it self certification?

if some woman that I've never heard or I've seen run in men's duvision, shows up and runs a 15:30, I'm going to ask for an ID and I would withhold the check until she provided documentation that she had completed the hormone treatment requirements. I would have the right to do so and I'm not going to encourage people to cheat.

unit flick wrote:

Reducing hormone levels will be manipulated by the clever.

No WADA type checks.

Trans athletes have been allowed in the Olympics for several decades, and this "manipulation" has not come up. While the athletes do have to pay for their own regular hormone testing, they are also subject to WADA testing, which does check testosterone levels.

Like it's perfectly reasonable to argue about whether or not reducing T levels adequately levels the playing field, but man, some of you guys really enjoy creating bizarre conspiracy theories around this.

not my real name wrote:

For those claiming that men/transwomen are NOT going to take scholarships, it will absolutely lead to a lawsuit at some point, if they aren't offered one. For example, a transwoman is NOT offered a scholarship. So, she walks on and wins tryouts, beating everyone on the team. After a year of no scholarship, you think some leftist with a J.D. is NOT going to help him/her sue the uni for the scholarship that they "should" be receiving, considering all their teammates are on scholarship, they're faster than all their teammates, but they are NOT receiving any sort of assistance. Yep, that will be in court faster than a ferrari. Nice work Biden, way to go.

Let's take gender/trans athletes out of the equation for a minute. When has a walk-on EVER been able to sue to get a scholarship? I knew a walk-on that was one of only a handful of athletes on the team to qualify to NCAAs and she couldn't even get books the next year.

I think it would be really hard to prove discrimination based on being trans in your scenario, unless the school had clear written policies about what walk-ons needed to do to earn scholarships, and then violated those policies.

If a black 800 runner on your team was a walk-on but now is number one guy over the three white scholarship 800 guys, he would win that lawsuit.

Coach of straight guys wrote:

If a black 800 runner on your team was a walk-on but now is number one guy over the three white scholarship 800 guys, he would win that lawsuit.

So you should have no problem giving us a court case where a walk on sued for not being given a scholarship? I expect to wait a one time. Unless the coach make some oral promises there is basically zero case. And even then, the enforcement history of oral promises is sketchy at best.

Coach of straight guys wrote:

If a black 800 runner on your team was a walk-on but now is number one guy over the three white scholarship 800 guys, he would win that lawsuit.

Can anyone find a lawsuit, ever, where someone joined the team as a walk-on, sued to get a scholarship and won?