I hope Joe is having a nice evening in the White House.
I hope Joe is having a nice evening in the White House.
Fat hurts wrote:
jumbo shrimp wrote:
The inconvenience of EVs right now make them impractical for most people. Things will get better. No use getting one today when in just 2 or 3 years they will be significantly better. Just think about how poorly your 2017 EV compares to even today’s EVs. Now imagine something 10x better than today’s EVs.
Almost everyone has easy access to charging.
The inconvenience of gas cars right now makes them a pain in the rear for everybody who drives one. Smelly high-priced gas you have to stop for each week. Oil changes. Getting repairs all the time. What a nightmare.
By your logic, you should never buy a cell phone because they get better every year.
The 2021 model of my 2017 car has a range that's 21 miles longer. That's not even a 10% improvement. Other than that, it's the same car.
Don’t worry batteries will get better and cheaper over the next 2-3 years. It won’t help you but it will help those who waited until the inconvenience, cost and frustration factor has gotten much better. I’m sorry that your model car still performs so poorly four model years later. That’s testament that you bought way too early and have paid the price literally and figuratively. You definitely would have been better off waiting. But thanks for beta testing for the rest of us who want a car to be convenient not frustrating.
My 2017 EV beats any car you've ever owned. I have not only benefited financially, I got to drive a better car.
Fat hurts wrote:
jumbo shrimp wrote:
Don’t worry batteries will get better and cheaper over the next 2-3 years. It won’t help you but it will help those who waited until the inconvenience, cost and frustration factor has gotten much better. I’m sorry that your model car still performs so poorly four model years later. That’s testament that you bought way too early and have paid the price literally and figuratively. You definitely would have been better off waiting. But thanks for beta testing for the rest of us who want a car to be convenient not frustrating.
My 2017 EV beats any car you've ever owned. I have not only benefited financially, I got to drive a better car.
You got to drive a clown car. Lol. It’s a great car if you want to be frustrated all the time and be inconvenienced. Or if you want an itty bitty clown car. Like I said. Don’t be pissed you bought too early. Things are going to be better in a few years but EVs are not ready for prime time yet.
oldschoollrc wrote:
I hope Joe is having a nice evening in the White House.
Oh no doubt whatever cocktail of meds he’s on is making his evenings splendid. All of them. Sleeps like a baby. Mumbles thru the day about things he can’t explain and back resting.
jumbo shrimp wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
My 2017 EV beats any car you've ever owned. I have not only benefited financially, I got to drive a better car.
You got to drive a clown car. Lol. It’s a great car if you want to be frustrated all the time and be inconvenienced. Or if you want an itty bitty clown car. Like I said. Don’t be pissed you bought too early. Things are going to be better in a few years but EVs are not ready for prime time yet.
Anybody who buys a gas car is an idiot.
With gasoline you pay thousands more to drive a car that's slow and dangerous.
#LHRC wrote:
oldschoollrc wrote:
I hope Joe is having a nice evening in the White House.
Oh no doubt whatever cocktail of meds he’s on is making his evenings splendid. All of them. Sleeps like a baby. Mumbles thru the day about things he can’t explain and back resting.
Doubtful he’s in Texas while Cruz is MIA.
ENJOY YOUR LOSS ??
Fat hurts wrote:
jumbo shrimp wrote:
You got to drive a clown car. Lol. It’s a great car if you want to be frustrated all the time and be inconvenienced. Or if you want an itty bitty clown car. Like I said. Don’t be pissed you bought too early. Things are going to be better in a few years but EVs are not ready for prime time yet.
Anybody who buys a gas car is an idiot.
With gasoline you pay thousands more to drive a car that's slow and dangerous.
At least most aren’t tiny little clown cars that are massively inconvenient and frustrating to no end and are horribly for longer trips. The good thing is that in a few years they will be a lot better. But now or especially in 2017 they aren’t very good or convenient.
Gina.. wrote:
#LHRC wrote:
Oh no doubt whatever cocktail of meds he’s on is making his evenings splendid. All of them. Sleeps like a baby. Mumbles thru the day about things he can’t explain and back resting.
Doubtful he’s in Texas while Cruz is MIA.
ENJOY YOUR LOSS ??
Love every minute of it. We wouldn’t be able to watch the medical experiment unfold before our eyes otherwise. #1inaquadrillion
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ev s are like climate change. a certain type of person claims a whole load of stuff. for climate change neither side agrees one way or the other, so every body just shouts their preferred version of the story.
for evs, fine; i regularly need to drive 600 miles in a day, i will just go and do it. i will stop once for gas. ev? bye bye. and the owners cant even be honest about it. so that is great. it makes me laugh.
honestly, i would prefer to do the journey by train - better emissions, but the car has four adults in it and the train is 200 quid a head.
why does noone complain about the ridiculous cost of ral, if they want to be envirnomental. or the cheapness of flying for the same reason?
jumbo shrimp wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Anybody who buys a gas car is an idiot.
With gasoline you pay thousands more to drive a car that's slow and dangerous.
At least most aren’t tiny little clown cars that are massively inconvenient and frustrating to no end and are horribly for longer trips. The good thing is that in a few years they will be a lot better. But now or especially in 2017 they aren’t very good or convenient.
Very few EVs are small cars. Most are mid sized or larger.
My 2017 EV is far better than any gas powered car today.
Gas powered cars are dangerous. They are 11 times more likely to catch fire, they roll over easily, and they emit carbon monoxide that can back up into the cabin and kill you.
EVs do not emit carbon monoxide. But if you drive a gas car you are exposing your family to this poisonous, odorless gas.
EVs handle better, thus avoiding accidents. And they are almost impossible to roll over, which tend to be the most life-threatening accidents.
If Tiger was driving an EV he would be playing golf today instead of suffering in a hospital.
But your is a tiny little clown car that can get what 175 highway miles before it needs a charge. Maybe you can squeeze a few more miles if you turn the AC off or no radio. Lol. EVs today and especially if someone was stupid enough to buy one in 2017 are inconvenient and frustrating to drive. EVs are not to the point where they are practical for most people. In a few years when batteries get better, infrastructure is built, and prices drop they will be practical. Until then people are better off waiting for good EVs rather than buying the inconvenient frustrating dogs of today and regretting it.
Mine is a crossover that probably has a lot more interior space than your dangerous filthy gas car. If clown cars were still a thing, you would indeed want an EV because you can fit more clowns. Gas cars are cramped inside because you need so much room for that behemoth of an engine.
Your car is slow and clunky. Mine has instant torque and it hugs the corners without skidding or tipping.
But sure, go on driving your outdated, expensive, and dangerous gasser. Maybe you will get lucky and not kill your family.
Story in the WSJ today about the problems with EVs.
Behind a paywall, but here's the opener and some excerpts. Note that circa half of americans don't have a garage to charge their car in. Major reason why tens of millions of gasoline cars (or hybrids) will be needed for a long time).
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Bradley Wilkinson is the owner of a 2017 Chevrolet Bolt, and the kind of electric-vehicle diehard who knows how to squeeze every last mile of range out of his vehicle.
Even so, during his most recent road trip, from Tampa, Fla., back home to Fort Carson, Colo., he spent about 58 hours on the road. In a gasoline-powered vehicle, on average, the 1,900-mile journey would take about 30. His relatively sluggish pace was due to his need to regularly power up the Bolt’s battery at a “fast” charger—so called because they’re many times faster than typical home chargers.
Less experienced EV owners report far bigger inconveniences than Mr. Wilkinson’s. Those include: too few charging stations, too much demand at the stations that are available, broken chargers, confusing payment systems, exorbitant electricity rates, and uncertainty over how long their cars need to charge.
Bradley Wilkinson recently spent about 58 hours on a road trip in his Chevy Bolt that would have taken about 30 hours in a gas-powered vehicle.
While EVs can be powered up at home, industry analysts and academics believe that a fast-charging infrastructure is essential to getting beyond their current limited adoption. This next wave of slightly-less-early adopters is critical to a global automotive industry betting heavily on battery power.
Yet so far, only one carmaker has offered a reassuring pitch about conveniently and reliably recharging on the go: Tesla. And Tesla’s fast-charging technology doesn’t work on non-Tesla cars.
Building the requisite charging infrastructure for the rest of the EV universe will be expensive. The Biden administration has proposed building a network of 500,000 chargers in the next five years, which would cost billions. The fact that many believe such a government investment is required shows just how little faith many industry insiders have in the ability of private enterprise to solve this problem. One issue: Building out the nation’s charging infrastructure might not be profitable.
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Traditional car makers, with their sights set on a battery-only future, are aware of the charging problem. One effort to match Tesla’s superchargers has resulted in Electrify America, a nationwide network of fast-charging stations. Its creator, Volkswagen, agreed to invest $2 billion as part of the settlement with the U.S. government and California over its Dieselgate emissions-testing scandal. Other nationwide networks such as ChargePoint and EVGo, which primarily offer the slower sort of chargers, are now adding fast-charge technology. (The kind of charging that happens at home tops out at a maximum of 7.2 kw. Fast charging is 50kw and up.)
The result, for EV drivers who wish to take their vehicles on road trips—as well as the many city-dwelling EV owners who are unable to charge at home—is a patchwork of stations that many say is improving but still needs work.
In a survey of 3,500 EV drivers conducted in September and October 2020 by EV advocacy group Plug In America, more than half reported having problems with public charging. These problems were worse for respondents who drove non-Tesla vehicles; almost 60% of those reported issues. The most common complaint was a non-functional charger.
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EVs currently make up around 2% of vehicles sold each year in the U.S., and the Department of Energy says more than 80% of EV charging happens at home. More than half of Americans live in single-family dwellings where, in theory, an EV could be charged, and 63% of all U.S. housing units of every kind have a garage or carport. But any EV owners planning a trip far from home, or who can’t charge at home, must rely on apps to plot an efficient route and ensure they don’t get stranded.
It’s a tiny tiny car. Crossover because of the car’s seat height. Face it. You bought too early and have been inconvenienced out of your mind. Having to stop every 150 or so miles to sit somewhere for 45 mins to 3 hours or more to charge has to be extremely frustrating. That is if you can find a free charger or one that is not broken. I can tell by the tone of your posts that you know I’m right. DO NOT buy an EV for a few more years. They aren’t ready yet. They will be but right now they are inconvenient and frustrating. If you have unlimited time and don’t mind sitting around waiting for slow charging or driving around trying to find a charger go for it. Otherwise wait for the early adopters to experience this burden.
Any chance you two could take your debate to a separate EV thread?
Thank you for your consideration.
For Fat Hurts and other Global Warming alarmists. You guys don't understand climate science. I can help educate you.
Just let it go. People can buy and enjoy the cars they want. They have things called planes for long trips.
Calamity Joe wrote:
For Fat Hurts and other Global Warming alarmists. You guys don't understand climate science. I can help educate you.
At the risk of stating the obvious, there is neither a single topic in the Universe that you understand nor a single person on the planet that you could help educate on anything.
Patriotic Americans will never abandon gasoline vehicles for wimpy clown car EVs.
Not gonna do it.
You can’t make us.
Patriotic Americans will reject democrat evils.
Democrats lose again!!!