Anyone else legit apprehensive about the Biden presidency?

Until they are convicted? Do believe one of them is going to rape someone? Trump might be convicted of something else, though.

Well, with talk on the left about "reeducation" and "cleansing", I am a bit apprehensive.

CrispyChicken wrote:

Well, with talk on the left about "reeducation" and "cleansing", I am a bit apprehensive.

"Some people say...", "I'm hearing...", "many, many people have said..."

One credible source please, just one

Question? If the economy was booming and robust then why, after only one month of lockdowns, did he authorize a 6 trillion dollar stimulus (%25 annual GDP)?

range wrote:

CrispyChicken wrote:

Well, with talk on the left about "reeducation" and "cleansing", I am a bit apprehensive.

"Some people say...", "I'm hearing...", "many, many people have said..."

One credible source please, just one

Remember when it was acceptable to re-educate homosexuals? That is now wrong. The same group who fought that battle now believe that we can re-educate and re-program entire belief systems, not just one piece of a person.

Men can now play women's sports:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

The fracking jobs are next:

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1352251615382802434

The Biden voters have no clue what they voted for.

Parler, now brought to you by Russia. LOL. Nice work jamin.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx87q4/parler-is-coming-backwith-some-russian-help

coming for you next wrote:

The Biden voters have no clue what they voted for.

No, I said credible - one nutjob academic, one light-ent newscaster, one summary of a debate that's been raging for years and isn't clear cut and, actually, banning fracking makes good sense. Reinvest in clean energy and there's more jobs created than destroyed.

Not exactly a smoking gun, is it?

range wrote:

coming for you next wrote:

The Biden voters have no clue what they voted for.

No, I said credible - one nutjob academic, one light-ent newscaster, one summary of a debate that's been raging for years and isn't clear cut and, actually, banning fracking makes good sense. Reinvest in clean energy and there's more jobs created than destroyed.

Not exactly a smoking gun, is it?

Just look around on a public forum like reddit and twitter, the opinion to re-educate Trump voters is common. It is always the same with liberals. Burry your head in the sand and pretend that the obvious isn't happening.

Also my last post had nothing to do with your post, I am just showing the direction we are headed, which is a very bad one. You hate women and are anti-science if you believe that men should be playing women's sports. Ending fracking will ruin people's lives, not that you care about that.

Not sure I agree with all your takes, seem pretty partisan. As far as the economy the president has only so much control in the short term but makes policy that can have impacts in the decades that follow. Once again Trump was a failure here but the idea that the individual in control of national spending and monetary policy does not have a role in the economy is nonsense. The president is not responsible for a great economy. A good economic policy is someone like Reagan or Eisenhower who protects the integrity of our money then gets the hell out of the way. But the president sure can do severe damage which all of our last 4 presidents are very responsible for.

As far as Trump not deserving credit for Middle East Policy that is nonsense. He may not have been in the room brokering deals but part of the role of the president is to put the right people in the right positions and give them a goal to shoot for. Trump's middle east peace deals are a massive departure from the failures of the past regimes. Quite frankly if it was anyone but Trump he would have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize. If you actually talk to people in the military the change in direction in Syria when Trump took over was immense. They got clear direction and the political support to accomplish it and get out. Trump has also extracted most of the troops from Afghanistan. This despite huge resistance from Neo-Cons on the left and right like Liz Cheney.

Obviously a lot of bad as well. Space Force is a new waste of money and was not needed. He didn't cut defense spending at all. But if you think Biden will be at all good in foreign policy good luck. He's already said we're going back in the Iran Nuclear deal which was one of the worst treaties in US history. He's brought back the Obama crew that started illegal wars in Yemen and Libya and made a mess of the Iraq withdrawal. The odds that we get through Biden's term without a war seems almost zero to me.

range wrote:

coming for you next wrote:

The Biden voters have no clue what they voted for.

No, I said credible - one nutjob academic, one light-ent newscaster, one summary of a debate that's been raging for years and isn't clear cut and, actually, banning fracking makes good sense. Reinvest in clean energy and there's more jobs created than destroyed.

Not exactly a smoking gun, is it?

Here are a few more for you from your favorite sources.

Can you admit it yet?

coming for you next wrote:

Just look around on a public forum like reddit and twitter, the opinion to re-educate Trump voters is common. It is always the same with liberals. Burry your head in the sand and pretend that the obvious isn't happening.

Also my last post had nothing to do with your post, I am just showing the direction we are headed, which is a very bad one. You hate women and are anti-science if you believe that men should be playing women's sports. Ending fracking will ruin people's lives, not that you care about that.

You're using alternate facts again. They're talking about countering the domestic terrorist element of Trump voters, not the 70million. That doesn't seem unreasonable - we've been 'deprogramming' islamic extremists for years. I'd also agree that left-wing extremists should be countered.

If your modus operandi is riots and bombs, that needs a coordinated program of action, no matter what "righteous" cause you're advocating.

You sound "triggered"

LOL!

So Trump backing out of the Iran deal, making the Iranian people suffer from crippling sanctions, motivating Iran to restart its nuclear weapons program and provoking skirmishes, all because he hates Obama, was a good thing? How can you believe that?

No, Biden will not start wars. He would carefully consider the possible loss of American lived, financial costs and possible benefits to the U.S. In other words, he won't start a war.

The problem in the middle east is the relationship between Isreal and Palestine and the recent agreements are meaningless. I've never seen "Isreal" and "Morroco" in the same sentence, but yet there is now a game changing agreement between the two.

Trump is no man of peace. He believed bringing troops home would get him more votes and that was his only motivation. It's also likely he was talked out of taking military action against North Korea and Iran.

The issue of preventing large populations from suffering and not wanting to be the world's policeman will never be resoved to everyone's satisfaction.

coming for you next wrote:

range wrote:

"Some people say...", "I'm hearing...", "many, many people have said..."

One credible source please, just one

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1352226035119616000

147 Republicans voted to overturn a Presidential election in the US based on a conspiracy theory after an attempted coup inspired by the same conspiracy theory. There has been no concerted effort in the Republican party to refute Qanon or Trump's blatant lies about winning the election by a landslide. The Republican party has made it clear that they are willing to create a mass hysteria by spreading lies about election fraud in order to subvert our democracy to retain power when they are unable to do so through a free and fair election. This crosses a line that goes beyond academic freedom, free speech and so on. This is embracing the intentional destruction of our democracy in order to keep a minority party in power.

People who have embraced this cannot get a free pass back into the good graces of our society. This is not like advocating supply side economics or austerity or other legitimate issues that we resolve as part of our democratic political process. This is saying that our democratic political process must be burned down by any means necessary when the minority party loses power. It is a systematic embrace of sedition as political policy. If there are no consequences for crossing that line in our democracy, then our democracy will fail as it will merely become a contest of how far a party will go to trample our democracy to grab power. If you believe that it is ok to knowingly lie to the public to try to get them to violently overthrow the government or have the congress throw out a free and fair election simply at the whim of the party that lost power, you have no place in government, academia or any other position of prominence. You can work at a car dealership.

I have to challenge you on your Reagan take. There was a real legitimate reason why H.W. Bush referred to Reagan's fiscal policy in 1980 campaign as "Voodoo Economics." I hope Trump is the last of the lying Republicans to state: Cut corporate taxes, cut taxes on dividends, interest & capital gains and cut top marginal income tax rates. The tax cuts will generate significant g.d.p. growth which will reduce national debt. Reagan, W. Bush and Trump all said the Reagan quote. U.S. reduced national debt due to H.W. Bush reducing U.S. military by 1/3 and raising taxes on most wealthy U.S. earners. William Clinton kept U.S. military small and raised taxes even more on top earners. Reduction of national debt and greater than 4% annual g.d.p. growth was the norm.

Outstanding economic policies often do not look outstanding initially. U.S. was close to experiencing hyper-inflation during James Carter era. Carter put in an inflation hawk as fed chairman, Paul Volker. Volker significantly raised Overnight Fed Funds Rate and Discount Rate. The only way to break near hyper-inflation is to intentionally slow down the economy temporarily. Many on this site recall recession during H.W. Bush administration. That recession was strongly correlated with reduction of U.S. military by 1/3 and reduction of employment of weapon contractors. A large military is what is called in the biz, Weapons Economics. A large military does employ many people but it is never efficient. Look at Opportunity Cost. Large military will eventually ruin an economy. See fall of British Empire. See fall of Roman Empire. See fall of Soviet Empire.

U.S. economy weakened from 1978 to 1981 recession. Eventually Volker's monetary policy broke the near hyper-inflation. Reagan is known for tax cuts his first two years. Taxes increased the final six years. You may ask: Why does the economy grow faster when wealthy people pay more in taxes? Easy answer is that wealthy people work harder when their taxes are increased. Mid-1990s, we reached the point of roughly one million millionaires in U.S. Most likely 1.5 to 2 million millionaires now in U.S. Roughly 2/3rds of millionaires either married it or inherited it. Republicans love to paint the picture that most millionaires in U.S. are up from their bootstraps farmers and small business owners. Most millionaires in U.S. are Coupon Clippers. [To late 1990s, investment firms were willing to issue bond and equity certificates free of charge. Bond holders clipped coupon off of bond usually quarterly. Bond holders took bond coupon to broker-dealer. Broker-dealer then wrote bond holder a check.]