Perspective on mental health supports in society

I'm assuming when we discuss "depression" we are talking about unipolar depression, now more commonly known as major depressive disorder. If we turn to the Nature Disease Primer on major depressive disorder (easily accessed on Sci-Hub for free), it would appear that you are *somewhat* correct that the "absence of a partner", low socioeconomic status, and low social support increase the risk of major depressive disorder. Does this mean that people have to be bereft of social support and money to be depressed? Absolutely not. As mentioned by others in this thread, many people experience depression despite having income and more than adequate social support, and benefit equally from medications and therapy as those who are lucky to have both of those things.

Unfortunately, though you may be correct that the risk of MDD is increased without a sufficient support network and income, the rest of your post--your attitude that who do not/cannot improve is because of their lack of social support and low income, your subsequent implicit (well, let's be real, you've stated it rather clearly) belief that society "doesn't have a lot of time for people like this", and your assertion that "depressed people likely have no friends and money, this is the reason for their peril"--sheds more light on your smug and arrogant personality structure and ego deficits than the reality of psychiatric and mental health treatment.

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Greg is not depressed due to his freedom. Which is good. Many people are depressed because their job sucks but they are stuck in a bad situation. Hopelessness is a big cause of depression and if one feels stuck in a bad situation, that leads to depression.

queen_bee wrote:

Unfortunately, though you may be correct that the risk of MDD is increased without a sufficient support network and income, the rest of your post--your attitude that who do not/cannot improve is because of their lack of social support and low income, your subsequent implicit (well, let's be real, you've stated it rather clearly) belief that society "doesn't have a lot of time for people like this", and your assertion that "depressed people likely have no friends and money, this is the reason for their peril"--sheds more light on your smug and arrogant personality structure and ego deficits than the reality of psychiatric and mental health treatment.

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Responding to this, well, no that's just your opinion. To the contrary, you sound juvenile and incapable of civil debate in attempting to insult me on the basis of my harmless post. These are words on the internet yet you are riled up more than a thousand balls of yarn.

From a standpoint of maturity:

There are many truths in what I said, no one has to take them personally. If you do, well, that is your issue.

Great point Steve.

Many postsers on the board have ridiculed me for not having a job, yet, when I had one, I was often depressed. (as an example)

My cardiologist at the Mayo Clinic told me in an offhand conversation that it is really hard for him and others at the Clinic to treat bad depression. They really want to heal and they are often disappointed in the success rate. If someone really is suicidal, it is darn hard for the docs to prevent it. Since he treats cardiac patients, he is always on guard for depression symptoms as permanent damages occur if the disease is allowed to run without treatment- I guess just like heart disease. I don't know why we came upon this topic-perhaps he was warning me. People who have this have to treat this like common physical diseases. The only prevention that he thinks really works is to fight alienation and isolation-make friends, make bonds, etc. Perhaps the best reason for joining a running club even if you can only run 8-9 minutes a mile?

Truly your own immaturity and general lack of insight into the mental health world is quite unfortunate.

-a psychiatrist

queen_bee wrote:

Truly your own immaturity and general lack of insight into the mental health world is quite unfortunate.

-a psychiatrist

A psychiatrist told me I was crazy and needed medication.

Who do you think I listened to, them or me?

queen_bee wrote:

Truly your own immaturity and general lack of insight into the mental health world is quite unfortunate.

-a psychiatrist

Your desire to be 'correct' is what is unfortunate, yet also entertaining in a way.

-a poster on a message board.

Your desire to be 'correct' is what is unfortunate, yet also entertaining in a way.

-a poster on a message board.[/quote]

Says the guy who always has to have the last word....HA!

I’m glad to see you’re busy on this site right now, this means I can go train on the trails.

docLorna wrote:

Your desire to be 'correct' is what is unfortunate, yet also entertaining in a way.

-a poster on a message board.

Says the guy who always has to have the last word....HA!

I’m glad to see you’re busy on this site right now, this means I can go train on the trails.[/quote]

Good, I hope you slip and fall.

Greg wrote:

docLorna wrote:

Your desire to be 'correct' is what is unfortunate, yet also entertaining in a way.

-a poster on a message board.

Says the guy who always has to have the last word....HA!

I’m glad to see you’re busy on this site right now, this means I can go train on the trails.

Good, I hope you slip and fall.[/quote]

Screenshot taken and saved together with your posts encouraging people to kill themselves.

brtb wrote:

Greg wrote:

Says the guy who always has to have the last word....HA!

I’m glad to see you’re busy on this site right now, this means I can go train on the trails.

Good, I hope you slip and fall.

Screenshot taken and saved together with your posts encouraging people to kill themselves.[/quote]

You try too hard. Lots of pricks on this board and absolutely 0 apologies from me for my conduct.

Take a hike, loser.

I just want to say to the 'psychiatrist' (who probably is one, I believe they are telling the truth here)

that I would welcome an opportunity to do a live zoom where you can assert your positions and respond to my posts.

It sounds to me as if you really had an issue with what I said, yet, you also go out of your way to post your credentials.

That's fine, but why not back up your credentials in a live debate kind of setting?

Doesn't have to be too long. 15 minutes, we both get a few minutes to speak and respond to one another.

You put your credentials out there and I'll go in with none, yet still confident I will get the better of you in a debate format (especially a live one) in the sense of standing up for my posts and pointing out how they just bother you.

The issue isn't really with what I said, the issue is that my posts bothered someone.

Greg wrote:

brtb wrote:

Good, I hope you slip and fall.

Screenshot taken and saved together with your posts encouraging people to kill themselves.

You try too hard. Lots of pricks on this board and absolutely 0 apologies from me for my conduct.

Take a hike, loser.[/quote]

Do you want me to slip and fall during my hike? Do you want me to hike to a deep lake, walk in and drown, like you have told others to do?

Your script is crap and you haven't gotten anyone's interest for it in 10 years.

You refuse to work.

You almost don't run.

You annoy people on purpose.

You insult people and tell them to hurt or kill themselves.

You are the loser.

Greg wrote:

docLorna wrote:

Your desire to be 'correct' is what is unfortunate, yet also entertaining in a way.

-a poster on a message board.

Says the guy who always has to have the last word....HA!

I’m glad to see you’re busy on this site right now, this means I can go train on the trails.

Good, I hope you slip and fall.[/quote]

Sorry to disappoint, I did not fall. I would never wish anyone to hurt them self but I’m not surprised you do.

You are full of crap!

There is not one psychiatrist in the world who would tell a patient, or anyone for that matter, that they are crazy. As a matter of fact, they are some of the only people who understand and believe what people tell them regardless of how crazy it might sound to the rest of us.

A basic income study in Kenya gave one group about an extra $1,000 and another group free access to mental health services but no income support. The group that receive the income support showed a big decline in mental health issues. The group that got free mental health services had no decline in mental health issues. Also, the basic income study group used the money for productive things like buying better food, home repairs and school fees for children. There was little incidence of the extra money going to alcohol or other vices. Money actually does buy happiness.

liar wrote:

You are full of crap!

There is not one psychiatrist in the world who would tell a patient, or anyone for that matter, that they are crazy. As a matter of fact, they are some of the only people who understand and believe what people tell them regardless of how crazy it might sound to the rest of us.

You are actually correct in that I don't recall a psychiatrist telling me verbatim that I was crazy.

However, my interaction with them was perosnal to me and I could read between the lines with what they were saying. So, for me to say 'they said I was crazy' has some merit of truth to it when the broader context of events are considered.

Precious Roy wrote:

A basic income study in Kenya gave one group about an extra $1,000 and another group free access to mental health services but no income support. The group that receive the income support showed a big decline in mental health issues. The group that got free mental health services had no decline in mental health issues. Also, the basic income study group used the money for productive things like buying better food, home repairs and school fees for children. There was little incidence of the extra money going to alcohol or other vices. Money actually does buy happiness.

Yeah, that's Kenya, where $1000 can make a big difference in life...