"there is so much we don't know about the vaccine"

If we did all that we would still do worse than Sweden. Mind you, I have a small plan to address obesity and nutrition in my neck of the woods (probably not for 6 years, but maybe sooner), but we should be aware of its limitations.

Harambe wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

couple of things we do know - it's not even a vaccine in the sense of what 99% of the population thinks when they hear "vaccine". As in, as you stated, it doesn't stop you either contracting or spreading covid, it increases your chances of a better immune system response. That's not a vaccine.

Oh and it lasts 3 weeks.

Yeah that will be a pass from my side - I'll just continue following the rules with the minimum disruption it's been to my life and continue to not be infected (as the 5 tests I've taken so far have shown).

WTF this is all unsubstantiated BS.

Out of here with your antivaxx trash.

Unsubstantiated is not strong enough. Directly counter to the evidence is more accurate.

Renewed Marathoner wrote:

I've read it constantly. Like how we don't know if it stops you from being contagious.

We don't know safety for pregnant women of the fetus. Safety for people with weakened immune systems.

At least that's all stated and discussed. Fine. But what really bothers me is this.

We don't know the long term effects at all. Wtf!?!? When you look it up they just say, no long term effects have been reported.... Of course not the long term hasn't happened yet.

How on earth is this how we approve something nearly the whole world will take!?!?

Vaccines don’t stop your ability to pass it on. They reduce your chances of developing a serious bout of the virus. You’re welcome. We’ve used vaccines for a large part of the past 50 years.

Your grammar highlight that you are mildly retarded and uneducated. Hence your hysteria.

Damn why do people keep posting this BS. Vaccines by and large reduce viral load significantly which absolutely decreased transmissiblity. It's not 100% but it makes a large impact.

No one country has been able to isolate just the "vulnerable" population. Obviously this would be the preferable solution. Many countries tried. It simply didn't work, there's too much overlap between vulnerable and non-vulnerable. Sure we can propose ideal hypothetical, but in practice we have to implement policies that are executable...

Renewed Marathoner wrote:

Mandatory self isolation for the susceptible population. And let it circulate through normal population till herd immunity is reached. Vaccinated the susceptible population .

Force people to eat a fvking salad.

Ban smoking.

Use the literal trillions of dollars in "battling" corona to fix global hunger, the climate crisis, wealth inequality, etc which we've already spent enough to fix several times over. We would hae saved millions upon millions of more lives this way.

Every single problem that we "don't have the money to fix" we've already spent on covid several times over. For far less gains. And less lives saved. It's completely idiotic what we focus on.

Asdfasd wrote:

No problem, get to the back of the line. I, for one, cannot wait to move freely in the world again without fear. Stick me!

I have been moving freely in the world without fear since maybe a few weeks into the pandemic when it became clear that what was happening in real life was nothing like the fear mongering we are being fed.

Harambe wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

couple of things we do know - it's not even a vaccine in the sense of what 99% of the population thinks when they hear "vaccine". As in, as you stated, it doesn't stop you either contracting or spreading covid, it increases your chances of a better immune system response. That's not a vaccine.

Oh and it lasts 3 weeks.

Yeah that will be a pass from my side - I'll just continue following the rules with the minimum disruption it's been to my life and continue to not be infected (as the 5 tests I've taken so far have shown).

WTF this is all unsubstantiated BS.

Out of here with your antivaxx trash.

On the flip side, nothing from the vaccine cult side is substantiated. From the evidence we are seeing so far, as expected, its mostly just more lies. It's downright dangerous.

Vaccines reduce transmission. The mRNA vaccines look like they will do a very good job of reducing transmission. The Moderna did a great job of reducing symptomatic infections and a pretty good to great job of reducing asymptomatic infections (admittedly a secondary end point in the study where this data was presented) if you have no infection you cannot infect others.

Of the people who reference scientific papers here, I was the most suspicious of the mRNA vaccines ability to prevent infections, but this new data has made me quite positive about their capacity to prevent transmission.

I will say RN has been pretty reasonable and respectful, and honestly if someone who has had Covid recently isn’t jumping to get the vaccine, well, they have plenty of time to either get more data on the mRNA vaccines, or get vaccinated with a more traditional vaccine when it becomes available.

They are the least of my concerns

You never leave your asylum.. dont lie to us bro bro!

The Unkle wrote:

Asdfasd wrote:

No problem, get to the back of the line. I, for one, cannot wait to move freely in the world again without fear. Stick me!

I have been moving freely in the world without fear since maybe a few weeks into the pandemic when it became clear that what was happening in real life was nothing like the fear mongering we are being fed.

UberDumbs wrote:

Harambe wrote:

WTF this is all unsubstantiated BS.

Out of here with your antivaxx trash.

On the flip side, nothing from the vaccine cult side is substantiated. From the evidence we are seeing so far, as expected, its mostly just more lies. It's downright dangerous.

Just as an example of substantiated evidence here is the moderna trial with data on reduction in symptomatic and asymptomatic cases. There are countless studies in a plethora of indecently edited journals. Maybe you have a different definition of substantiated?

Independently edited not indecently, we are not talking hustler here!

Vaccines potentiate the immune system against viruses. So a "better immune response" is literally all a vaccine does. In most cases the "better response" is sufficient to prevent symptoms and greatly reduce transmissibility. Keep talking though.

UberDumbs wrote:

Harambe wrote:

WTF this is all unsubstantiated BS.

Out of here with your antivaxx trash.

On the flip side, nothing from the vaccine cult side is substantiated. From the evidence we are seeing so far, as expected, its mostly just more lies. It's downright dangerous.

Haha. Actually that does convince me a bit thanks!

Hmm.. that's actually quite interesting. Sweden is pretty slim and they didn't do well with covid. Hmm.. so maybe obesity isn't a huge cofactor? Maybe not as much as age? I don't know the answer.

They do smoke quite a bit though.

Thanks for making me think.

Good on you for tackling obesity issues by the way.

I agree. Fair point

Thanks!

And we've had the most chronic disease ridden population in history! Up to 40% of Americans have chronic disease! Explain that one! If vaccines are so safe and effective why isn't the population getting healthier?