Naples Half Marathon Official Discussion Thread

holpin wrote:

holpin wrote:

Fair enough, if they were to race the Ascent in August, giving Stinson time to prepare, who wins?

I think that would be a good race; maybe too close to call right now.

On second thought...I was neglecting to consider Stinson's knee surgery. Maybe it would not be the best race for him.

Seth for the mountain win because he does much more vertical climbing/descending than Parker.

Road and Mountain racing use different skillsets and training. Seth has more experience in mountains, but Parker might need a few trails runs to see if he has the leg gears to ascend and descend at a high level.

holpin wrote:

Top three Age-Grade placers in yesterday's race:

Place.......Name.........Age......Age-Perf-%

1st.........P. Stinson........28.........91.3

2nd........S. Martinez.....26.........89.8

3rd........S. DeMoor......35.........88.7

^^^^I messed this up; previously, I was evaluating Gene Dykes' gun time rather than his chip time:

Gene Dykes.....72.......1:28:50....90.75%

F. Dossena.......75.......1:38:37....85.4%

holpin wrote:

Banned in 60 Seconds wrote:

I have guided a couple of state high school champions and a good number of kids that improved from JV status to D1 collegiate running.

BTW, that is what DeMoor did. He was unrecruited out of high school, read Running with the Buffaloes, and tried to walk on at the University of Colorado under Mark Wetmore, but he didn't make it. So he trained up and tried again the next year and did make it. This is not his first rodeo.

I was unrecruited out of high school, walked on my first year at CU, ran faster than SJD did, and was a smoldering wreck by the time I was 35. What impresses me most is that he's still going, and messing around with shoes on the way. Not what I'd suggest at 35.

I specifically said the PP Ascent, rather than the PP Full, because lightweight Seth does better climbing rather than descending (the latter takes a certain skillset, and some crazy bravado to rip it, and having a family to support may factor into his performance descending.)

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

I was unrecruited out of high school, walked on my first year at CU, ran faster than SJD did, ...

Respect for the CU walk-on.

holpin wrote:

I specifically said the PP Ascent, rather than the PP Full, because lightweight Seth does better climbing rather than descending (the latter takes a certain skillset, and some crazy bravado to rip it, and having a family to support may factor into his performance descending.)

That being said, he has not been afraid to rip it in the past; for instance, check this video at the 12:09 mark:

Believe these are the current Ed Whitlock Half 'Thon age-group records he still holds:

Half Marathon (70-74)1:22:23 (70-79)1:29:26 (80-84)1:38:59 (85-89) 1:50:47

All still impressive!

Those times are crazy fast!

Do you think Whitlock would have run in VaporFlys? He eventually had cartilage trouble in his knees.

holpin wrote:

Do you think Whitlock would have run in VaporFlys? He eventually had cartilage trouble in his knees.

Women breaks Marathon World Record for 75+yr-old wearing VaporFly's:

«In warmer weather I should come down to three hours and forty», Nystad thinks.

"I’m not so keen on the shoes", says Vera Nystad, who still has to admit that carbon shoes are the favorite. "The best running shoes are the ones you have close to your hand, I usually say. But I like the carbon shoes the best. Then I do not get sore feet."

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

holpin wrote:

BTW, that is what DeMoor did. He was unrecruited out of high school, read Running with the Buffaloes, and tried to walk on at the University of Colorado under Mark Wetmore, but he didn't make it. So he trained up and tried again the next year and did make it. This is not his first rodeo.

I was unrecruited out of high school, walked on my first year at CU, ran faster than SJD did, and was a smoldering wreck by the time I was 35. What impresses me most is that he's still going, and messing around with shoes on the way. Not what I'd suggest at 35.

In addition as a counter to the point that Seth is lacking in coaching and running knowledge, in one of his videos he interviews his younger brother, who is bigger and was probably more athletically gifted in high school, being both a runner and basketball player. Seth coached him on-the-side back then, and if I'm not mistaken, his brother got an athletic scholarship to run at CU.

holpin wrote:

Five days out from the race, DeMoor got in one last short high-altitude session at ~9000ft.

I miscounted the days. Based on his vlog, it appears he went up to run at 9000 ft on the morning of Jan 13, which would be only four days out from the race. Being that close to the race, that quite possibly is actually taking hay out of the barn and cutting into his recovery time.