Fair or foul: Princetonian who has never set foot on Princeton campus sets Ivy League pole vault record

The article does NOT describe the mark as the Ivy League record. It says it's the highest vault by an Ivy Leaguer. That's not the same. So I think this is a non-issue unless the Ivy League accepts it as a new Ivy League record (which seems unlikely).

I think the answer is easy. Does a recruit who competes during the summer prior to coming on campus get credit for a school record or league record? I think not. We had such an athlete, who jumped 50-5 back in England prior to his coming on campus. He didn't get the school record until he jumped 52-2 for the school.

This vaulter is not in school and there is no indoor season where anyone else from the league has an opportunity to compete. He will get a chance to set records once the league allows competition again. This might be considered an Ivy League best, but not an Ivy League record, as wiser minds will figure out.

CowboyBob wrote:

I think the answer is easy. Does a recruit who competes during the summer prior to coming on campus get credit for a school record or league record? I think not. We had such an athlete, who jumped 50-5 back in England prior to his coming on campus. He didn't get the school record until he jumped 52-2 for the school.

This vaulter is not in school and there is no indoor season where anyone else from the league has an opportunity to compete. He will get a chance to set records once the league allows competition again. This might be considered an Ivy League best, but not an Ivy League record, as wiser minds will figure out.

In your example the athlete in the summer is not yet enrolled in school. In this case the vaulter is enrolled but taking classes remotely because the university is not allowing in person classes. He is a student so it should count.

If the above recruit enrolled for summer school then yes it would be a record.

Most students enroll in the spring for the following fall. Using your logic, should records not count in any summer? Why single out freshman year?

Bills Self wrote:

The article does NOT describe the mark as the Ivy League record. It says it's the highest vault by an Ivy Leaguer. That's not the same. So I think this is a non-issue unless the Ivy League accepts it as a new Ivy League record (which seems unlikely).

Apparently rojo doesn’t read. He made it seem like he set the Ivy League record which he did. It would be different if it counted as an Ivy League record when he wasn’t competing for the school. They don’t count NBA player stats when competing in the Olympics towards franchise records. It’d be the same thing if the article said what rojo maliciously tricked us into believing

Certainly seems strange upon first glance...

Reminds me of Betsy DeVos, former Secretary of 'Education.' She's never taught a day in her life, in a classroom. Yet, she was picked to run the Office. Sorta like having the school janitor calling your track workouts...

briswiss wrote:

Bills Self wrote:

The article does NOT describe the mark as the Ivy League record. It says it's the highest vault by an Ivy Leaguer. That's not the same. So I think this is a non-issue unless the Ivy League accepts it as a new Ivy League record (which seems unlikely).

Apparently rojo doesn’t read. He made it seem like he set the Ivy League record which he did. It would be different if it counted as an Ivy League record when he wasn’t competing for the school. They don’t count NBA player stats when competing in the Olympics towards franchise records. It’d be the same thing if the article said what rojo maliciously tricked us into believing

SMH delete this thread then

Ivyguy wrote:

Wait--I thought Princeton didn't allow transfers! Did I have that wrong, all these years, or has PU changed its policies?

They didn't use to but recently changed the rules. Of course, Jason Garrett was a transfer. But I think he started at Princeton, transferred to Columbia and then went back, right?

rojo wrote:

Ivyguy wrote:

Wait--I thought Princeton didn't allow transfers! Did I have that wrong, all these years, or has PU changed its policies?

They didn't use to but recently changed the rules. Of course, Jason Garrett was a transfer. But I think he started at Princeton, transferred to Columbia and then went back, right?

The article says he set the highest mark not that he set the record

Isn't this the same idea as Robert Brandt setting Georgetown record in 10k?

I could totally be wrong but im under the impression he's been doing online school.

Neo-Maxi Zoomdweebie wrote:

Did Pappas ever set foot in Greece before setting the Greek National Record? I really do not know, maybe she did.

Oh snap you didn't just go there

2 know wrote:

A name mix up. Sondre was born in Davis, California. His brother, Simen.

Sondre Guttormsen is the eldest of a sibling group of four. He is a day student at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), where he studies psychology. His two-year-younger brother Simen Guttormsen is also an active pole vaulter, who studies at and competes for Princeton University on a daily basis.

Sondre transferred to Princeton to join Simen last Spring (so would start at Princeton in the fall 2020). Sondre would be a junior at Princeton.

Blog post about the transfer here:

CowboyBob wrote:

This vaulter is not in school and there is no indoor season where anyone else from the league has an opportunity to compete. He will get a chance to set records once the league allows competition again. This might be considered an Ivy League best, but not an Ivy League record, as wiser minds will figure out.

I don't think the Ivy League will make a distinction of that for their record books. The records they have on their website are out of date and don't make distinctions between wind-aided and non-wind-aided marks (ex: the 110H "record" according to the Ivy League website is a wind-aided mark, 13.62 [w +3.0m/s] by Max Hairston from 2016). Princeton tends to take whatever marks they can, as they consider summer marks between seasons for their record books (for example, their 110HH record was set at the Canadian National championships, which was in July 2018 by a rising junior)

Robert Brandt set the Georgetown 10,000m record twice without stepping on campus. He will finally come to campus Jan. 21.

who care about weak conferences

Did Joaquim Cruz ever take classes at Oregon or just score in the NCAA meet? I knew people on the team that said they never saw him at practice or anywhere until NCAA.

Setting the “record” straight. Sondre’s jump is the highest vault by an Ivy student athlete either as an undergrad or post grad. Since Princeton has elected to not have an indoor season Sondre competed unattached therefore the mark is not a Princeton or Ivy record, but it is the highest ever by an Ivy athlete.

Sondre is enrolled and taking virtual classes.

Basically nothing to see here guys, except that Sondre and his brother look forward to hopefully competing this spring and no doubt will set records.

multiman wrote:

Setting the “record” straight. Sondre’s jump is the highest vault by an Ivy student athlete either as an undergrad or post grad. Since Princeton has elected to not have an indoor season Sondre competed unattached therefore the mark is not a Princeton or Ivy record, but it is the highest ever by an Ivy athlete.

Sondre is enrolled and taking virtual classes.

Basically nothing to see here guys, except that Sondre and his brother look forward to hopefully competing this spring and no doubt will set records.

Yup

JoggyHobber wrote:

who care about weak conferences

Not only that, this whole "school / conference / collegiate record" thing is nothing more than glorified age group records with additional partitioning.

Absolute performance is all that matters at top level. This current mark is unremarkable where the big boys compete.