1930s Germans loved Kool Aid wrote:
douglas burke wrote:
Because no one thought Jesse Owens had a chance
This is not true. Maybe no one in Germany thought he could win after feasting on Hitler's Aryan Race superiority propaganda for years, but he was certainly a favorite outside of Germany.
He was cheered by the crowd. No idea how many were not Germans, but it is not like in those days as many people could travel like they can now.
HRE wrote:
Hitler did present medals to Owens. But he didn't want to. He was told he had to or he wouldn't be allowed to present medals to Germans who won them.
No Hitler did not.
Hitler was told that he either welcomed all athletes or none. Hitler chose none. (This was after the first day where he congratulated several Germans and a few Finns).
Tellus Moore wrote:
RichardRider wrote:
Marty Glickman, the only white person to attend Jesse's funeral. He was promptly escorted to the front pew and treated like family.
Richard,
Can you please document this fact? It is highly interesting and I am wanting to learn more about the funeral.
Not exactly as RichardRider wrote, but is Glickman recounting. Jump to 10:25 for the funeral story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14HeJUQb6xQ&ab_channel=MarkAaronThis will make sense if you watch it. I would not be so harsh on the other white athletes. Maybe some just could not afford to be there.
Tellus Moore wrote:
Star,
I'm sure the following individuals will disagree with your statement.
Diving, Michael Wright (USA nat champ)
Swimming, Cullen Jones (Olympic medalist)
Water Polo, Ashleigh Johnson (Olympic medalist)
Canoeing, Lisa Carrington (Olympic medalist, indigenous)
Cycling, Nelson Vails (Olympic medalist)
Equestrian, Abdelkebir Ouaddar (Olympic opening ceremony flag bearer)
Fencing, Peter Westbrook (Olympic medalist)
Field Hockey, Leroy Mayers (coach)
Gymnastics, Simone Biles (Olympic medalist)
Handball, (Africa hosts a contential championship)
Modern Pentathlon, (Tunisia has sent a team)
(Horse) Polo, (the sport started in Persia)
Rowing, Anita Defrantz (USOPC leadership)
Sailing, "Bill" Pinkney (sailed around the world solo)
Shooting, Fehaid Al-Deehani (Olympic medalist)
I think that at that time there not many blacks participating in many of the sports at the Olympics. Even as noted, there are not a lot of blacks at the highest levels in those sports listed.
Well don't get me started on the Luz Long myth...
HappyJack wrote:
RichardRider wrote:
So, what did some Americans really think about Blacks and Jews in the 30's? Well that was answered behind closed doors between people in position the make those decisions. Pretty$hitty deal for the athletes involved.
Point well taken Richard. But ask yourself this with the benefit of 20/20 hind site where would you rather have live in the 1930'40's . Nazi Germany or the U.S.A.? And no Canada or Australia aren't options.
If I was born in America at the time, I would never want to be anywhere else just as I am thankful for now. I have relatives that immigrated from Germany that have told their stories around a strong drink before Thanksgiving dinner. I remained quiet as a church mouse. When you hear personal stories of how a relative was shot down over eny territory, captured, loaded on a train that was mistakenly headed for a concentration camp, asked by his mates to conduct prayer, sermons etc... and how he believed God intervened 3 times to save his life.......there's nothing to say but Thank You. Believe me, the 21 gun salute at his funeral made me break down . I still have a cartridge handed to me by a soldier.
Thank you to the fellow that posted the Glickman interview.