What would Kevin Castille have run clean and would he have made the Olympic Trials

slow PRs and definitely no Olympic Trials

joe tom john wrote:

slow PRs and definitely no Olympic Trials

Like instead of a 28:40 something on the track for 10k? And all those 29:30 10ks at 47 or so? What would they be?

let me know wrote:

joe tom john wrote:

slow PRs and definitely no Olympic Trials

Like instead of a 28:40 something on the track for 10k? And all those 29:30 10ks at 47 or so? What would they be?

Steroids or not, he has a body type made to run fast as well as beautiful mechanics. My guess is that he'd still be competitive for top masters spots, but not leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else like he was. Put another way, he wouldn't have been competitive in the Open category the way he was, but he'd still be really good and would have still won some masters prizes. Low 30s maybe on the roads, and possibly sub-30 on the track in perfect conditions.

My seat-of-the pants, or otherwise from somewhere out of my backside, guess is that the drugs improved his physiology and his ability to sustain hard training to the tune of at least ten to fifteen seconds per mile in a 10k.

Observer of Kevin wrote:

let me know wrote:

Like instead of a 28:40 something on the track for 10k? And all those 29:30 10ks at 47 or so? What would they be?

Steroids or not, he has a body type made to run fast as well as beautiful mechanics. My guess is that he'd still be competitive for top masters spots, but not leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else like he was. Put another way, he wouldn't have been competitive in the Open category the way he was, but he'd still be really good and would have still won some masters prizes. Low 30s maybe on the roads, and possibly sub-30 on the track in perfect conditions.

Sub 30 at 48?? I was thinking a 16 flat to 15:30 at 40 something, but at 48 or 47 he ran low 14s. Take away the Peds and steroids, he is running 17:30. We need to factor in he was on serious steroids. It changed his body. Did you notice in videos he has a feminine sounding voice. My guess is we will never really know. It's laughable saying he would only improve a little. He did some serious cheating. One footnote, about 10 years ago he went through a phase of 16 something 5k results and even 17 around Laffyatte. My guess is that was his real result. The roids gave him confidence and a BIG advantage.

I think he's probably a 33-34 minute 10k runner at age 47-48 without PEDs.

weird jaw wrote:

I think he's probably a 33-34 minute 10k runner at age 47-48 without PEDs.

I was going to say 34 minutes. I met him a few years ago and knew he was on something because of his voice. A result of taking steroids.

the great cheating wrote:

weird jaw wrote:

I think he's probably a 33-34 minute 10k runner at age 47-48 without PEDs.

I was going to say 34 minutes. I met him a few years ago and knew he was on something because of his voice. A result of taking steroids.

Steroids make a male voice high? I’m not sure about that one. I know they’ll change a female’s voice, however.

From Quora:

“ 1. For a man (any adult male who has already completed puberty and whose voice has already changed), taking steroids will not have any discernible effect on the voice. A man’s voice has already deepened, and the change that has already occurred is irreversible.”

I lost a bit of prize money at some masters races that he ran.

I'd say 2:28-2:30 marathon/32:00-32:30 10K, ca 2018-2019.

Ain't that the kid from Home Alone

Anyways I'll just say 34 10k to echo some other people's thoughts

Coyote Montane wrote:

I lost a bit of prize money at some masters races that he ran.

Seriously, you think even if wasn't on something, that you would not have finished behind him? How does that work?

getting real wrote:

Coyote Montane wrote:

I lost a bit of prize money at some masters races that he ran.

Seriously, you think even if wasn't on something, that you would not have finished behind him? How does that work?

I suspect Coyote is either saying is that Kevin shouldn't have been in the results at all, or that he would have age-graded higher than Kevin did in some races they both ran. Many US masters championship races award age-graded prize money, and Kevin typically won that money in addition to the money for finishing first.