Who did it better? Pre 5th 72 olympic vs Jacob 5th world championship

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3 years ago 01/12/2021 10:28pm EST

re: stan the corgi

stan the corgi wrote:
It was either poor coaching by Dellinger or Pre's hard headedness that put him in 4th. Back then, people weren't as privy to as much information as now.

This.

As a foreigner, I never quite could understand the Pre - fixation. Still don't

I saw the 72 Olympics live from the stands at the 1500 start about 4 rows from the rail. and he was handled comfortably by the guys who won. Ran a silly race and lost 3rd.

Perhaps if he'd had time to mature and grow he'd have been a super star. But he didn't.

But that was just about the stupidest tactic in a race I can imagine. I can understand the leading, but they roll by him at 800 to go, and instead of settling he goes back to the front.

More balls than brains. But tactically inept against the real elite.

A lot of athletes got left on the cutting room floor due to injury or timing. In his case it was self inflicted.

3 years ago 01/12/2021 11:00pm EST

re: SDSU Aztec

SDSU Aztec wrote:
beachbum wrote:
Pre wouldn't care that you knocked him, because who are you?
Pre was the best, and if Viren didn't dope, Pre wins 5k even with Bowerman's racing strategy, which didn't work well for Pre but did work well for Dellinger in '64.
Pre pushed so hard to pass Viren on the backstretch that he went past the effort sustainable, even for Pre.
However, I agree with Bowerman that if Pre would have stayed behind until the 200m and then kicked, Pre wins the gold against cheating Viren.
Do you think Jacob and the others in that race were not on PEDs?
No, Virin was better and there was no way Pre would have beaten him. Whether Pre was trying to pass him or not, Virin was putting him under some serious stress. However, if Pre had not chased after Virin and Gammoudi, the Bronze was a possibility.
I believe Virin was in about 13:10/27:20 shape for those Olympics and could have won with any strategy besides a last lap kick off of a slow pace.

Nice to see some sanity on this thread.

3 years ago 01/12/2021 11:02pm EST

re: 5th if Yifter

5th if Yifter wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Pre finished4th. You've never watched the race?
They all would have been outkicked by Yifter. Fifth if Yifter.

I don't think Yifter would have handled Viren in '72.

3 years ago 01/12/2021 11:30pm EST

re: sdf

sdf wrote:
Why all this talk of Pre potentially winning? He was completely outclassed in a race that was not very deep, with several absentees, no Africans. Heck, Stewart by his own admission ran a poor race and STILL beat Pre. Pre hardly improved later, and would have been mauled in the Montreal 5K. Front running...to LR it's "running to win" unlike any other tactics), to anyone else it's called....stupid. Sure, he was a character, but don't let that blind you to his limitations.
Who did it better? Depends what you mean. Pre was more influential, and did "it" at a time people actually cared. Jakob is more talented, but too few give a toss these days. Advantage Pre.

Pre is probably in the 10,000m in '76 and battles Lopes for the silver and bronze medals.

3 years ago 01/13/2021 9:58am EST

re: Brite Bart

3 years ago 01/13/2021 10:31am EST

re: Bob schul country

Bob schul country wrote:
This is how you race to win

Schul's racing tactic were not good if a top runner was doping.

Jazy was a former world record holder in the mile. If Jazy blood doped, it would have been all over for everyone when he took off. No way Schul even comes close to catching Jazy if doped.

3 years ago 01/13/2021 11:54am EST

re: ohhoyoko

ohhoyoko wrote:
stan the corgi wrote:
It was either poor coaching by Dellinger or Pre's hard headedness that put him in 4th. Back then, people weren't as privy to as much information as now.
This.
As a foreigner, I never quite could understand the Pre - fixation. Still don't
I saw the 72 Olympics live from the stands at the 1500 start about 4 rows from the rail. and he was handled comfortably by the guys who won. Ran a silly race and lost 3rd.
Perhaps if he'd had time to mature and grow he'd have been a super star. But he didn't.
But that was just about the stupidest tactic in a race I can imagine. I can understand the leading, but they roll by him at 800 to go, and instead of settling he goes back to the front.
More balls than brains. But tactically inept against the real elite.
A lot of athletes got left on the cutting room floor due to injury or timing. In his case it was self inflicted.

A book. Two movies. And the Nike marketing machine.

3 years ago 01/14/2021 10:02am EST

re: beachbum

beachbum wrote:
Bob schul country wrote:
This is how you race to win
Schul's racing tactic were not good if a top runner was doping.
Jazy was a former world record holder in the mile. If Jazy blood doped, it would have been all over for everyone when he took off. No way Schul even comes close to catching Jazy if doped.

If, If, If, If.......get at of here with that.

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