Does EPO give you more energy?

adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

how does that work? wrote:

So do you believe that an EPO doped runner uses ATP per minute in a 5k race?

Sorry to burst your bubble but if you don't like these questions, then ask yourself what have you got to lose by answering them? Remember, I have no idea who you are. Your anonymity is assured.

I think EPO (and normal runners) runners uses lots of ATP/min in a 5k race. Don't you? Where do you think the energy from running comes from?

You have asked your questions in a half dozen threads and have had it explained to you a dozen+ times. Are you just slow or a troll?

Just answer the question.

You were wrong. Don't try to dance around it.

Also show your lab measured ATP use in a 5k for a before and after doped athlete.

[quote]2600 bro wrote:

Bigger mitochondria, more O2 use, better aerobic energy use. ATP use remains constant but because can sustain higher levels of OxPhos you can sustain a set power output for much longer.

That doesn't make sense. Oxidative phosphorylation IS ATP use.

Thermo dino wrote:

You were wrong. Don't try to dance around it.

You aren't engaged in a proper debate. This isn't about therapeutic use of EPO for sick people.

Just answer the question. What are you so afraid of. You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder about something.

I don't understand why people are so combative about EPO and ATP. What is the goal?

Erythropoietin (EPO) is a hormone in the body which helps to stimulate the production of Red Blood Cells (RBC).

RBC's carry Oxygen (O2) to the working muscles.

Ultimately, the more oxygen that can be delivered and taken up by the working muscles the more you can delay fatigue caused by the buildup of the products of Anaerobic Glycolysis, namely H+ ions.

Blood Doping through transfusions was the old school method of increasing RBCs. The modern method involves using EPO and other hormones.

So the way I understand it......more speed requires more force thus more ATP. EPO would then increase RBC production thus reducing acidosis at the same speed and reducing the ATP requirement at that speed since you are shifting away from anaerobic means.

Alan

Wow uhhh... ok you need to really brush up on biochemistry.

how does that work? wrote:

That doesn't make sense. Oxidative phosphorylation IS ATP use.

how does that work? wrote:

Thermo dino wrote:

You were wrong. Don't try to dance around it.

You aren't engaged in a proper debate. This isn't about therapeutic use of EPO for sick people.

Just answer the question. What are you so afraid of. You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder about something.

Read the other study Jon, the sick people studies are just the nails in your coffin.

I am not afraid of anything. You were wrong and the 20 year chip you have is showing.

There is no debate. There never really was. Just you pushing a silly theory for years. It's time to let it go. You're no scientist. Not even an amateur.

how does that work? wrote:

That doesn't make sense. Oxidative phosphorylation IS ATP use.

Oh dear....

2600 bro wrote:

Wow uhhh... ok you need to really brush up on biochemistry.

how does that work? wrote:

That doesn't make sense. Oxidative phosphorylation IS ATP use.

Oxidative phosphorylation is aerobic ATP production.

What do you think it is?

Thermo dino wrote:

how does that work? wrote:

You aren't engaged in a proper debate. This isn't about therapeutic use of EPO for sick people.

Just answer the question. What are you so afraid of. You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder about something.

Read the other study Jon, the sick people studies are just the nails in your coffin.

I am not afraid of anything. You were wrong and the 20 year chip you have is showing.

There is no debate. There never really was. Just you pushing a silly theory for years. It's time to let it go. You're no scientist. Not even an amateur.

The question. Answered the question. You can't do it can you?

All your posts are deflections. What are you afraid of?

Runningart2004 wrote:

I don't understand why people are so combative about EPO and ATP. What is the goal?

Erythropoietin (EPO) is a hormone in the body which helps to stimulate the production of Red Blood Cells (RBC).

RBC's carry Oxygen (O2) to the working muscles.

Ultimately, the more oxygen that can be delivered and taken up by the working muscles the more you can delay fatigue caused by the buildup of the products of Anaerobic Glycolysis, namely H+ ions.

Blood Doping through transfusions was the old school method of increasing RBCs. The modern method involves using EPO and other hormones.

So the way I understand it......more speed requires more force thus more ATP. EPO would then increase RBC production thus reducing acidosis at the same speed and reducing the ATP requirement at that speed since you are shifting away from anaerobic means.

Alan

In a any race we are using ATP derived from both aerobic and anaerobic respiration. The belief that more red blood cells than normal healthy values= more oxygen delivery is naive.

I am trying to explain thermoregulation, which nobody here seems to have any concept of, which is rather strange.

big difference between "use" and "production." EPO and aerobic training stimulate mitochondrial enlarging (and fission, to yield more). Now you can rely on aerobic respiration for ATP instead of other methods that rapidly increase fatigue.

how does that work? wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Wow uhhh... ok you need to really brush up on biochemistry.

Oxidative phosphorylation is aerobic ATP production.

What do you think it is?

How you get the ATP reallyreally matters for performance. Running at a fixed pace should require a fixed power output and thus fixed amounts of ATP - but the generation of that ATP can be through processes that rapidly lead to fatigue.

how does that work? wrote:

Thermo dino wrote:

Read the other study Jon, the sick people studies are just the nails in your coffin.

I am not afraid of anything. You were wrong and the 20 year chip you have is showing.

There is no debate. There never really was. Just you pushing a silly theory for years. It's time to let it go. You're no scientist. Not even an amateur.

The question. Answered the question. You can't do it can you?

All your posts are deflections. What are you afraid of?

The question was answered by the article. That was the question asked, not ATP use per minute in a 5000. THAT was a deflection. What are you afraid of apart from loss of face after ranting the wrong theory for 20 years?

Read the article and you may even be able to answer your other question. It will do you good to try.

You haven't read it, have you?

Don't try to explain what you don't understand.

Thermo dino wrote:

how does that work? wrote:

In a any race we are using ATP derived from both aerobic and anaerobic respiration. The belief that more red blood cells than normal healthy values= more oxygen delivery is naive.

I am trying to explain thermoregulation, which nobody here seems to have any concept of, which is rather strange.

You haven't read it, have you?

Don't try to explain what you don't understand.

Still avoiding the question.

2600 bro wrote:

How you get the ATP reallyreally matters for performance. Running at a fixed pace should require a fixed power output and thus fixed amounts of ATP - but the generation of that ATP can be through processes that rapidly lead to fatigue.

Sure, if you pace yourself badly.

2600 bro wrote:

big difference between "use" and "production."

EPO and aerobic training stimulate mitochondrial enlarging (and fission, to yield more). Now you can rely on aerobic respiration for ATP instead of other methods that rapidly increase fatigue.

how does that work? wrote:

Oxidative phosphorylation is aerobic ATP production.

What do you think it is?

Do you produce ATP aerobically that you don't use?