800m Scholarships - Big EAST

Less than 1:49 800m in HS

1960s-5

1970s-7

1980s-7

1990s-6

2000s-11

2010s-20

The large increases in 2000s and 2010s are because of so many post-season races.

If counting only times during regular season HS meets, numbers will be consistent.

SOURCE:

800 meters

* denotes converted hand time

1 Michael Granville CA 1996 1:46.45

2 George Kersh MS 1987 1:46.58

3 Pete Richardson CA 1981 1:47.21

4 Donovan Brazier MI 2015 1:47.55

5 Cameron Cooper MI 2017 1:47.59

6 Carlton Orange TN 2015 1:47.67

7 Elijah Greer OR 2008 1:47.68

8 Alan Webb VA 2001 1:47.74

9 Andres Arroyo FL 2013 1:47.79

10 Sean Torpy IL 2016 1:47.95

11 John Crossley NC 2013 1:48.01

12 Dale Scott CA 1972 1:48.04*

13 Doug Herron AK 1985 1:48.09

Austin Mudd IN 2011

15 Ricky Faure WY 2014 1:48.14

16 Jeff West CA 1979 1:48.20

Sean Kranik CA 2010

18 Jonathan Johnson TX 2001 1:48.21

19 Sam Worley TX 2017 1:48.25

20 John Lewis PA 2015 1:48.33

21 Richard Joyce CA 1965 1:48.34*

22 Michael Slagowski ID 2016 1:48.36

23 Aaron Richburg CA 1995 1:48.40

24 Myles Marshall TX 2014 1:48.43

25 Dave Ayoub IL 1977 1:48.44*

John Marshall NJ 1980

27 Jacob Hernandez TX 2004 1:48.48

28 Moses Washington FL 1997 1:48.51

29 James Levine CA 1997 1:48.52

Ishmael Muhammad NJ 2014

31 Clark Mitchell CA 1965 1:48.54*

32 Jeff Van Wie NY 1983 1:48.56

Mike McGrath OR 2003

Immanuel Hutchinson CA 2011

35 Brandon McGorty VA 2016 1:48.58

36 Cory Primm CA 2007 1:48.63

37 Zachary Mellon MO 2008 1:48.64

Drew Hunter VA 2016

39 Jon Stevens CA 1998 1:48.65

40 Robby Andrews NJ 2009 1:48.66

41 Rodney Giles MD 1983 1:48.67

Alex Lomong VA 2016

43 Dennis Carr CA 1963 1:48.74*

Bob Hose CA 1964*

Tanner Sork WA 2012

46 Joe White NJ 2014 1:48.75$

47 Marc Sylvester OH 2001 1:48.76

48 Drew Magaha PA 2012 1:48.82

49 Chris FitzSimmons CT 2010 1:48.83

50 Steve Schnellenberger IL 1976 1:48.84*

Dyrk Dahl CO 1976*

52 Jason Van Swol IL 1998 1:48.91

53 Richard Smith VA 2002 1:48.94

Marcel Philippe NY 1969*

Brian Guaschino NJ 1972*

Jim Walters CA 1977*

Ray Brown DC 1980*

Paul Vandegrift PA 1987*

59 Joseph Franklin FL 2008 1:48.97

Derek Holdsworth VA 2014

http://www.jacobbrown.com/BergenATL/OutdoorTrackATL/PerformanceListsOutdoor/All%20Time%20National%20Top%20100%20Performance%20List.pdf

Tough as Runners wrote:

You are way off with your assertion about the PRs of the Gtown guys who were there in 2019. I wonder if there has ever been a team this deep.

White 1:45

Padhal 1:48

Brown 1:49

Rowe 1:49

I Delgado 1:50

Munley 1:50

E Delgado 1:51

I gave you the facts from the big meets. The athletes are not being recruited to run fast in-season and not run fast in the conference, regionals or NCAAs.

White is 25 years old now.

4 x 800m

T&FN top-10 all-time collegiate indoors: : Georgetown make list from '89:

7:17.3* Wisconsin 2/12/71

7:17.3* Illinois 2/12/72

7:18.2* Villanova # 2/16/80

7:18.66* Eastern Michigan # 2/24/90

7:18.77 Kansas 3/06/92

7:18.84* ————Villanova # 2/25/89

7:19.16* ————Clemson # 2/24/90

7:19.25* ————Villanova # 2/24/90

7:19.3* UTEP # 2/12/71

7:19.3* ————Florida # 2/12/71

7:19.3* ————Villanova # 2/12/71

7:19.5* Nebraska 2/12/72

7:19.85 Georgetown 2/25/89

4 x 800m all-time top 10 list outdoors for collegiate:

7:08.96 Arizona State 4/07/84

7:11.17 Penn State 4/27/85

7:12.15 Virginia 4/30/11

7:12.29 Villanova # 4/24/82

7:12.62 Georgetown 4/24/82

7:12.81 Richmond # 4/24/82

7:12.90 ————Penn State # 4/30/11

7:13.48 Arkansas # 4/24/82

7:13.75 ————Georgetown 4/24/04

7:13.75 Virginia Tech # 4/29/17

Top 10 Schools

7:08.96 Arizona State 4/07/84

7:11.17 Penn State 4/27/85

7:12.15 Virginia 4/30/11

7:12.29 Villanova # 4/24/82

7:12.62 Georgetown 4/24/82

7:12.81 Richmond # 4/24/82

7:13.48 Arkansas # 4/24/82

7:13.75 Virginia Tech # 4/29/17

7:13.8+ Kansas State 4/24/70

7:14.02 Texas A&M 4/30/11

I don't see why you hold that 2019 team in such awe.

You have helped prove why your statement was so far off base "Any coach that wouldn't offer a full-ride to 48 sec 400m speed, played out with 1:51 800m speed, and yet capable of running a 4:15 mile should not be coaching." You have been shown that the kid may be only the 4th, 5th, or 6th best kid on some teams which means not only would they not offer him a full ride, they may initially only offer him a walk-on spot. The better the coach, the smaller scholarship the kid will get. A great coach will have a team so good that he will not be worthy of an initial scholarship.

Nike is watching wrote:

You have helped prove why your statement was so far off base "Any coach that wouldn't offer a full-ride to 48 sec 400m speed, played out with 1:51 800m speed, and yet capable of running a 4:15 mile should not be coaching." You have been shown that the kid may be only the 4th, 5th, or 6th best kid on some teams which means not only would they not offer him a full ride, they may initially only offer him a walk-on spot. The better the coach, the smaller scholarship the kid will get. A great coach will have a team so good that he will not be worthy of an initial scholarship.

False.

Assume OP only runs 48, 1:51 and 4:15 this track season:

a) If OP is a senior in HS now, assuming there is nothing other to deal with (injuries, physical maladies, poor grades), he would be expected to run no slower than 47, 1:48 and 4:05 as a freshman. I would expect faster.

b) If OP is out of HS, and looking to transfer from junior college or some other 4-year, and OP's times are current, then he will still be expected to run no slower than 47.5, 1:49, 4:08 next year.

It isn't false. You may think he deserves a scholarship but he ain't getting one.

You have been given names of guys who ran similar HS tines to show you what happens quite often in college which is why coaches pay for performance, not for potential.

bowly wrote:

You have been given names of guys who ran similar HS tines to show you what happens quite often in college which is why coaches pay for performance, not for potential.

I take this to mean the coaches are not good enough.

I agree.

I run for georgetown. All our scholarships go to distance, mainly mid distance. If bonsey thinks you can go under 1:50 in college, you’ll get a solid scholarship (probably 50% for the first 2 years, chance to extend if you perform well). Usually this means going 1:52-1:53 as a junior and 1:50-1:51 as a senior. You fit that criteria. I’d say you could get an offer. Only way to know is to email him though.

Thanks for all the responses!

FYI : Don’t worry, I am not basing my choices on what other letsrunners thinks, my emails are already sent I was just trying to get an idea to my chances! :)

Top 8 Performers in Big East were around 1:50 or under which I believe is totally doable by my freshman year basing on my potential progression from the training I’ve been doing.

Thanks again!

One other thing that we failed to mention is that athketes get another year due to Covid which will make the recruiting process much more difficult for the next few years.

look at Matt Payamps Times and Shea weilbaker they were freshamn on the team last year, Payamps was 4:06, 1:50, 1:20 and 2:23

and weilbaker was under 9 he made the xc national team and payamps won the conference mile