800m Scholarships - Big EAST

I think you'll be right on the cusp of receiving a scholarship at a school like Georgetown or Villanova. I could see Penn State being a really good bet as well.

You might need to shave a couple seconds off your 800 and mile times before getting a scholarship at Gtown or Nova, but you could likely still walk on there. You could probably get a scholarship anywhere else.

Anon7 wrote:

Hi Guys! I’m running the 400-800-Mile and I was wondering what is the requirements to usually get a scholarship in the Big East?

I can run 48-1:51-4:15 and was wondering if I’d get any chances at schools like Villanova , Georgetown etc..

Or is there any other schools that could get me good money in other conferences..

Thanks a lot!

Troll?

If not a troll, the question is inane.

Any coach that wouldn't offer a full-ride to 48 sec 400m speed, played out with 1:51 800m speed, and yet capable of running a 4:15 mile should not be coaching.

When I was coming back from a year off working to continue my running in college, the new coach told me that I was probably 3:55 mile that year with my 400, 800m and mile. I got injured running a half-marathon in the morning (no one told me to) and then 10x200m in 26+ that afternoon, but the coach wasn't that wrong, except that the year off wasn't doing me any favors. And this coach already had a sub 3:55 miler.

You are out of touch. Good teams will have 4 guys faster than this already. No guarantee that this guy ever runs faster. 12.6 scholarships for 50 guys and 4 guys faster already in the event group results in an offer for books.

bowly wrote:

You are out of touch. Good teams will have 4 guys faster than this already. No guarantee that this guy ever runs faster. 12.6 scholarships for 50 guys and 4 guys faster already in the event group results in an offer for books.

Prove it.

List 5 runners who ran in HS 48 or faster, 1:52 or faster, and 4:15 or faster.

That is uncommon.

College, dummy. Not high school. Many college teams have 3 guys sub 1:50 and another one at 1:50. They also have sprinters and throwers and jumpers and distance runners. 12.6 scholarships across 50 guys is about 25% for each guy. If you are the 5th guy in your event group, you don't even travel to the conference meet. Sorry to tell you that this guy only gets books at a respectable program.

bowly wrote:

College, dummy. Not high school. Many college teams have 3 guys sub 1:50 and another one at 1:50. They also have sprinters and throwers and jumpers and distance runners. 12.6 scholarships across 50 guys is about 25% for each guy. If you are the 5th guy in your event group, you don't even travel to the conference meet. Sorry to tell you that this guy only gets books at a respectable program.

Are you suggesting OP was already out of HS?

No. Just trying to explain the world to you. He will get books at schools like Gtown or Iowa or Notre Dame. He will get more at a school like Miami Ohio. Look up guys like Michael Slagowski or Josh Evans to see how fast they ran in HS and how many pts they scored at their D1 college. Then you will understand why coaches don't throw money at freshmen unless they are running times that are in the top 10 in the conference.

bowly wrote:

No. Just trying to explain the world to you. He will get books at schools like Gtown or Iowa or Notre Dame. He will get more at a school like Miami Ohio. Look up guys like Michael Slagowski or Josh Evans to see how fast they ran in HS and how many pts they scored at their D1 college. Then you will understand why coaches don't throw money at freshmen unless they are running times that are in the top 10 in the conference.

Michael Slagowski broke 4 in 2016. He could have been running 3:55 by 2017.

You are proving my point.

Josh Evens? the guy from IA State. What was his 400m time in HS?

You named 2 people. If Josh didn't run 48, then you named 1 person.

Did you run in HS? If so, how fast?

yhwh wrote:

bowly wrote:

No. Just trying to explain the world to you. He will get books at schools like Gtown or Iowa or Notre Dame. He will get more at a school like Miami Ohio. Look up guys like Michael Slagowski or Josh Evans to see how fast they ran in HS and how many pts they scored at their D1 college. Then you will understand why coaches don't throw money at freshmen unless they are running times that are in the top 10 in the conference.

Michael Slagowski broke 4 in 2016. He could have been running 3:55 by 2017.

You are proving my point.

Josh Evens? the guy from IA State. What was his 400m time in HS?

You named 2 people. If Josh didn't run 48, then you named 1 person.

Did you run in HS? If so, how fast?

Slag could have, but he didn't - which is bowly's whole point in that freshman are unpredictable.

OP, your times are going to be pretty, perhaps slightly above average of the quality that Nova and Georgetown are used to getting. You will most likely be able to walk on, and MAYBE get some sort of scholarship before you improve. Does your school have to be in the big east - if not you could look at Penn St., Bucknell, Princeton, Syracuse, Providence.

Evans ran 49-1:50-4:04-9:00 in HS. He got a very small scholarship and never made the team at IA St. Ryan Schweizer ran 48-1:50-4:04 in HS and got a stipend at ND. He didn't make the team. The guy you are discussing has run 48-1:51-4:15. That will get him books at a good school and will get him a decent scholarship at a low tier D1 school. Some 2020-2021 guys are more attractive though.

Lester 48-1:48-4:06

Kiptego 49-1:48

Miller 47-1:49

Green 49-1:49-and NXN qualifier

bowly wrote:

Evans ran 49-1:50-4:04-9:00 in HS. He got a very small scholarship and never made the team at IA St. Ryan Schweizer ran 48-1:50-4:04 in HS and got a stipend at ND. He didn't make the team. The guy you are discussing has run 48-1:51-4:15. That will get him books at a good school and will get him a decent scholarship at a low tier D1 school. Some 2020-2021 guys are more attractive though.

Lester 48-1:48-4:06

Kiptego 49-1:48

Miller 47-1:49

Green 49-1:49-and NXN qualifier

I looked at 2019 Big East Conference Meet, East Regional, and NCAA D1.

Georgetown did bug-squat.

Their coach should be begging OP to enroll.

As to Paradoxical, either "Slag" was burnt out, or choked, or the coach was not good enough. It is not really about freshman being unpredictable, but about whether the runner was burnt out or the coach isn't good enough. There is also the element of not being able to cut it academically, but that should not effect the running much.

As to the comment that I am not up on the current situation, I didn't read anything different from when I was running when I looked at the 2019 results for Big East conference, for the East Regional, or the NCAA championships.

Anon7 wrote:

Hi Guys! I’m running the 400-800-Mile and I was wondering what is the requirements to usually get a scholarship in the Big East?

I can run 48-1:51-4:15 and was wondering if I’d get any chances at schools like Villanova , Georgetown etc..

Or is there any other schools that could get me good money in other conferences..

Thanks a lot!

Don't listen to us, email the programs you are interested in.

Looking at championship meet results and comparing to some kid's PR is pointless. I could have won the 2016 olympic 1500 if you want to play that game. Georgetown had 6 guys break 1:51 outdoor 2019. I guarantee that some of them are not getting even $1. This thread is typical of Letsrun. Somebody gets upset by looking at some meet results and the team doesn't offer them a scholarship but they think they are as fast as the current squad.

Tough as Runners wrote:

Looking at championship meet results and comparing to some kid's PR is pointless. I could have won the 2016 olympic 1500 if you want to play that game. Georgetown had 6 guys break 1:51 outdoor 2019. I guarantee that some of them are not getting even $1. This thread is typical of Letsrun. Somebody gets upset by looking at some meet results and the team doesn't offer them a scholarship but they think they are as fast as the current squad.

Assuming what you are trying to prove.

Show that the 1st 400m of the Big East and East Regional were so slow that it was a tactical race.

Georgetown is not that good.

yhwh wrote:

[quote]Tough as Runners wrote:

Looking at championship meet results and comparing to some kid's PR is pointless. I could have won the 2016 olympic 1500 if you want to play that game. Georgetown had 6 guys break 1:51 outdoor 2019. I guarantee that some of them are not getting even $1. This thread is typical of Letsrun. Somebody gets upset by looking at some meet results and the team doesn't offer them a scholarship but they think they are as fast as the current squad.

The three runners who placed at the 2019 Big East Championships for Georgetown were all running near their PBs in that final. Also at NCAA East Regionals.

Only one Georgetown runner in the 2019 conference 800m--Joseph White--had an elite 800m PB (from several years prior), and he is old. Somehow his eligibility extended longer than was intended.

Now that the true nature of the competition has been revealed, "Tough as Runners" could not have won the 2016 Olympic 1500m.

What I said was correct. If it wasn't for PEDs (and now cheater shoes), only the tracks could make much difference from when I was competing. And the tracks were plenty fast back then.

So, times have not changed for admittance into universities. Are there more runners now that could break 1:49 for 800m during their HS regular season than when I was in HS?

---I don't include times in post-season meets.

High School and college depth has exploded in the past 10 years. This is how many high school guys ran 1:51 or faster in HS each year.

2019 - 40

2018 - 32

2017 - 37

2016 - 57

2015 - 59

2014 - 49

2013 - 50

2012 - 56

2011 - 39

2010 - 36

2009 - 32

2008 - 30

2007 - 23

2006 - 17

2005 - 12

2004 - 19

2003 - 18

2002 - 15

You are way off with your assertion about the PRs of the Gtown guys who were there in 2019. I wonder if there has ever been a team this deep.

White 1:45

Padhal 1:48

Brown 1:49

Rowe 1:49

I Delgado 1:50

Munley 1:50

E Delgado 1:51