Don’t listen to this guy. Absolutely no clue.
Don’t listen to this guy. Absolutely no clue.
Which one?? I don't know who to listen to anymore!!
listen to ‘yhwh’
HRE wrote:
But I was NOT running at a brisk pace everyday. I was running comfortably. As you get fitter speeding up is just natural and that's what happened for me. I never thought of running at any particular pace, just ran as fast as felt manageable and only checked it now and again out of curiosity.
6:00 pace is most certainly a brisk pace for someone at your fitness level. It just so happened that you found that pace to be comfortable and enjoyable. Not everyone is like that. I’m trying to point out the bias in your position.
I’m a coach. I’ve worked with hundreds of athletes over the years. I’ve had 35 min 10K runners who “enjoyed” running at 9:00 pace and I’ve had 60 min 10K runners who “enjoyed” running at 9:00 pace.
Certain people need a more clear idea of how fast they should be running. I recommend you look into the science of perceived effort / pain tolerance. It turns out that there is large variability between individuals, even between individuals who are at the same fitness level.
It is obvious parkerjohn is not aware of the identity of HRE. I wish to someday meet HRE.
I'm not suggesting specific paces. I'm just responding to your idea that if you do most of your runs at an enjoyable pace you'll never get much faster. Yes, 6:00 pace was kind of quick for a 2:35 marathon guy just as 8:00 was pretty quick for a 3:20s guy. But the runs were enjoyable for the most part and I progressed without much thought to specific paces. I focused mostly on distance covered and let the pace find me. That will happen for almost everyone if they run enough. To me it seems odd that someone would find running at a specific pace enjoyable. I can see how they might find a particular effort level enjoyable and they are more likely to do a lot more running if that's how they do most of their runs. This is obviously a personal opinion, but I don't see how people can enjoy running if they constantly need to check a GPS watch or heart monitor every couple of minutes.
HRE fan wrote:
It is obvious parkerjohn is not aware of the identity of HRE. I wish to someday meet HRE.
Thank you.
I know who Rich is and applaud what accomplished throughout his running career but that doesn't mean one cannot respectfully disagree with what he's saying here. He keeps referencing his own experience and insisting "that will happen for almost everyone." This is a topic full of nuances but he's reducing "what pace should my long run be" to "go out and enjoy yourself."
You don't have to check our GPS watch every minute in order to pace ourselves properly. All you need is a range of paces and eventually you will learn what that EFFORT feels like. The 35 min 10K runner should not be doing their long run at 9:00 pace if he/she wants to reach their potential. I've run with and coached many runners in that kind of shape who do not find that pace too slow or awkward and that's just one example out of many. We could also point out the number of runners who ENJOY hammering the pace (running too fast) and subsequently fail to recover from their workouts. This problem is solved by providing these runners with a pace range to shoot for that corresponds to their level of fitness.