So what you're saying is you have no idea what RPO is nor how Tarkenton, Stauback or Holieway played the game.
So what you're saying is you have no idea what RPO is nor how Tarkenton, Stauback or Holieway played the game.
Runner10287 wrote:
So we have cheater gloves in football?
This is absolutely true, with all the advantages they give the offense in modern football, at least make catching the ball natural! In the first 100 years of professional football, outside the stickem era, there was like 1 or 2 guys that could routinely making one handed catches (Cris Carter comes to mind, have you ever seen him on the drill with the mechanical passer?). Now you see second tier DB's making one handed catches every week, never mind good receivers; it's ridiculous.
Why did you write that to me? I never mentioned Jamielle Holloway.
malmo wrote:
rojo wrote:
Maybe but I see NFL coaches make really bad decisions all the time, particularly about going for it.
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Greg sees Letsrun making bad decisions all the time by not featuring him in a LRC podcast. That doesn't make his analysis correct.
NFL coaches, who have years of experience, and have an army of experts who use data and live analysis of on the field matchups to assist. Quarterbacks have years of experience seeing with 180° vision and making decisions in an extremely fast game -- in 2 seconds. You might think they're making bad decisions, but like Clint Eastwood said, "a man's got to know his limitations."
Head coaches make horrible decisions when it comes to going for it on 4th down, going for 2, when to punt, when to call time outs, etc.
QBs make the wrong decisions very often as well.
WWRD wrote:
Runner10287 wrote:
So we have cheater gloves in football?
This is absolutely true, with all the advantages they give the offense in modern football, at least make catching the ball natural! In the first 100 years of professional football, outside the stickem era, there was like 1 or 2 guys that could routinely making one handed catches (Cris Carter comes to mind, have you ever seen him on the drill with the mechanical passer?). Now you see second tier DB's making one handed catches every week, never mind good receivers; it's ridiculous.
I think gloves have made a difference, but you also have 1) some really big dudes playing receiver and they will often have larger hands and 2) guys practice catching the ball a lot more. My brother played HS football in the 60s and he said they never practiced just catching the ball---they did not throw it very often either. Now you have 7 on 7 leagues during the summer that give more practice time.
And to Rojo's original question, there have been rule changes on pass blocking to make the game more offensive friendly and also rules limiting what DBs can do also opened up the passing game. I think it was Nick Saban who said that offenses can practice "against air" whereas defense cannot.
IdahoAlaska wrote:
Easy, game is designed for Offense, a lot more rules and chances for penalties on the Defense side.
The targeting in the OSU/Clemson game was a legitimate call, following the targeting protocol, but actually a safe/fair tackle. Most of the force came from the LBs shoulder pads, but where the QB spun into the tackle, his helmet became part of it.
That tackle was dangerous for the tackler. Even he admitted that it was his responsibility to keep his head up. Nothing "safe" about it.
Lack of contact in terms of tackling is not a huge factor. You can practice tackling with new "robots" like Dartmouth uses (others might also).
ironside wrote:
Your observations are correct. There should be enough former D-1 guys on let'srun who were in athletic dorms with Am. football players who should know that college football, at least D-1 Am. football teams stack talent on offense while neglecting defense. It is not easy to ignore potential offensive talent for Am. college football coaches. Looking back, it is a wonder that college football coaches were able to get Carl Eller, Paul Krause, Alan Page, Deion Sanders and Lawence Taylor to play defense in college.
Different game then. Also, if you are an "edge rusher" then you are highly sought after so LT would still be playing defense today.
A "shut down" corner like Deion makes a lot of money and does not take many hits. If Deion played WR he would get blown up from time to time; not so sure Sanders liked hitting (except baseballs).
adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:
new lambo for Christmas wrote:
The better athletes play offense. Defense are the ones who can't be a star on offense. Kind of like distance runners, they are failed athletes in other sports.
Given that it is almost impossible to be a star OL men, it does explain why the D line is more talented;)
College football is all about finding some mismatch (i.e. your NFL star against their average DI player) and exploiting it. If you have 1 NFL receiver and they have 1 NFL corner, you set it up so your NFL guy is agains the DI guy instead and dominated. The fact that their NFL level corner is shutting down your DI receiver doesn't matter.
Left tackles are well compensated and often seen as the second most important position on the field.
A big reason is that over time the rule makers have effectively made playing defense illegal.
I think coaches have in turn seized on that and focused on their offenses. They see that an offense run smart and with all the weapons is virtually unstoppable.
Luv2Run wrote:
IdahoAlaska wrote:
Easy, game is designed for Offense, a lot more rules and chances for penalties on the Defense side.
The targeting in the OSU/Clemson game was a legitimate call, following the targeting protocol, but actually a safe/fair tackle. Most of the force came from the LBs shoulder pads, but where the QB spun into the tackle, his helmet became part of it.
That tackle was dangerous for the tackler. Even he admitted that it was his responsibility to keep his head up. Nothing "safe" about it.
If you really look at his quote, you'll notice he said that, because he acknowledges that the only reason he got targeting was because he lowered his facemask during the hit. If he had kept his facemask up, he would of been fine, no penalty. If you watch the replay in slow motion, you'll see he was leading with his shoulder pads into the hit, then as he was hitting Fields, Fields spun into the hit, and he lowered his facemask, in anticipation of the play finishing, not using the crown of his helmet as a battering ram.
Not sure if you played ball or not, but everything is instantaneous, on the fly. I played ball from middle school through college, so I'd like to think I have a good idea on what I'm talking about. Even the college football pundits said what I said, "It's a correct call if you follow the protocol, but it's still a stupid/unreasonable rule".
To another note about the game, if you noticed, once Skalski got pulled out for targeting, the D fell apart. Skalski was out for their loss against ND earlier in the year as well. He is like the QB of the defense, the heart and soul. Losing him sealed their fate, because they lacked the depth at LB this year.
Defenses are bad because they don't practice tackling anymore. Rarely ever do football teams wear full pads and have full contact in practice anymore....hence nothing but arm tackling and tackling high.
In the Clemson/Ohio State game, Clemson's DBs are slow. No reason to repeatedly get burnt deep. Just give a little more cushion. It would also help if the defensive line had put more pressure on OSUs QB. Credit OSUs offensive line.
Jake from State Farm wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
It's the top 4, but in any case the fat QB with the bad leg isn't a good just because the receiver who gives him easy targets is good.
Put him in Trevor Lawrence's position under a relentless pass rush and his leg would have been broken the rest of the way.
Two of the top four and three of the top five.
Not to mention one of the most explosive and exciting guys in the country (Waddle) and the best center in the country (Dickerson). Bad Wigins is an idiot.