Best shoe for high alpine, highly technical ultra.

try the Hoka Toa. Have a fun walk!

Sorry I should have clarified, this will be a run not a hike. I will be trying to go as fast as possible while of course being careful in the exposed areas.

Runjackboyrun wrote:

I am planning on creating a new FKT route in the Wilder Kaiser mountain range in Austria which would consist of summiting every peak which has a cross on it. It could be up to around 80/90km long with over 10,000 vertical metres. Much of the terrain will be high alpine with a lot of scrambling and even climbing at times, and very exposed. The shoes I choose to use will need to strike a balance between being comfortable and cushioned enough to cover the distance but be able to handle all that technical alpine terrain. I would be interested to know what everybody would choose for a route like this.

Since you are planning an advanced mountain trail ultra, you should be able to pick the right shoe for yourself.

If you can't do that, you are probably not ready for this yet.

Altra lone peak

Inov8 G270

Topo Runventure

I am quite capable of deciding what shoes to wear myself and have plenty of options, but I just thought it would interesting to see what other people thought without me giving them any idea of what shoes I already own. I think me posting this question is not an indication in any way as to whether or not I am ready or capable to undertake such a route. But thanks for your concern.

King Tiger wrote:

Altra lone peak

Inov8 G270

Topo Runventure

G270 is definitely already on my list. Was also thinking about the Roclite 290 as it's a bit more of a precise fit and I know that will handle all the technical parts perfectly. But then again, a lot less cushion.

Runjackboyrun wrote:

I am quite capable of deciding what shoes to wear myself and have plenty of options, but I just thought it would interesting to see what other people thought without me giving them any idea of what shoes I already own. I think me posting this question is not an indication in any way as to whether or not I am ready or capable to undertake such a route. But thanks for your concern.

There are plenty of good trail shoe companies out there.

Salomon, Inov8 and others.

What fits on my foot might not fit on yours and there is also personal preferences beyond fitting.

Please report back when you have finished your adventure.

[/quote]There are plenty of good trail shoe companies out there.

Salomon, Inov8 and others.

What fits on my foot might not fit on yours and there is also personal preferences beyond fitting.

Please report back when you have finished your adventure.[/quote]

My question was not really meant to be 'what shoe should I use?' but more 'what shoe would other people choose?' Of course I know that fit and personal preference are really the overriding factors.

Particularly I want to find out what other people think are shoes that strike that balance between being able to handle super technical high alpine terrain and enough comfort for long miles.

This is a long term project which requires a lot of research and recce of which I will do this summer. I hope to actually run the route the following summer 2022.

I will post again on this thread when it is completed.

Ultra, FKT, walking. All of these things describe you. Put a headlamp on and walk all night, voila, you’re an ‘ultra runner’ now. HAVE A NICE WALK!

Check out Mirna Valerio. She almost completed the Broken Arrow 52k. Great example of someone doing routes like you’ve described. Could be worth reaching out to her for tips on your WALK.

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3/10. Cute detail with the Austria bs. Zero chance you’ve ever done, or will ever do, anything remotely resembling what you describe.

basal ganglion wrote:

3/10. Cute detail with the Austria bs. Zero chance you’ve ever done, or will ever do, anything remotely resembling what you describe.

Not sure what has pissed you off. But you are wrong. Have done already and I will continue to.

P.s I live in Austria....5km from where I am planning this route.

Looks like this Wilder Kaiser FKT is more of a mountaineering route than a trail run.

But since you are living there, I am sure you know what you are doing.

The biggest problem probably will be the night section. You have to know this place quite well to survive this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVO2cwR8Ts

Sounds intense. Good luck. And yes, please, do return with your report on the challenge, as well as a review of the shoes you used. Best regards.

Runjackboyrun wrote:

I am planning on creating a new FKT route in the Wilder Kaiser mountain range in Austria which would consist of summiting every peak which has a cross on it. It could be up to around 80/90km long with over 10,000 vertical metres. Much of the terrain will be high alpine with a lot of scrambling and even climbing at times, and very exposed. The shoes I choose to use will need to strike a balance between being comfortable and cushioned enough to cover the distance but be able to handle all that technical alpine terrain. I would be interested to know what everybody would choose for a route like this.

I live in a high alpine mountains and run on a lot of technical and rocky trails. My preference is the Hoka Speedgoat. They have solid grip and the extra cushioning is most definitely appreciated over technical and rocky terrain. I’ve tried shoes like the Altra Lone Peak and Olympus and the Topo Runventure and Mtn Racer, but for me, they are not cushioned enough and really beat my feet up even over only a 50K. For me, my feet are much happier with more shoe between my feet and the rocks and trails and the Speedgoats have been awesome, especially now that they come in wide.

La Sportiva Tarantulace. Trust me. Also, creating a "new fkt" is cringe. Send it to me when you're done so I can go take a dump on it

Saw the Wilder Kaiser once wrote:

Looks like this Wilder Kaiser FKT is more of a mountaineering route than a trail run.

But since you are living there, I am sure you know what you are doing.

The biggest problem probably will be the night section. You have to know this place quite well to survive this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVO2cwR8Ts

You are right to an extent yes. It is on the verge on mountaineering but I will try to take the most 'runnable' route. By that I mean trying to avoid areas where I would need extra equipment (ropes etc).

I plan to do this supported with pacers especially in the technical and exposed sections, not to 'pace' me but more for safety to keep an eye on me and make sure I am physically and mentally safe. I am not a mountaineer myself, I am a mountain runner, but of course train in these mountains up to these peaks. I have people who are mountaineers who are willing to support me on this project.

Yes, I will start in the night and try to get some easier peaks done during this time.

AsAnd wrote:

Sounds intense. Good luck. And yes, please, do return with your report on the challenge, as well as a review of the shoes you used. Best regards.

Thanks! Will do, won't be till 2022 though.