I Figured It Out Guys.....

Overthinking cam certainly be a bad thing in running and can leave one burned out, injured, doing the wrong type of training, not getting adequate nutrition amongst 9ther problems.

Yeah lol it's pretty simple, but you forget stuff that's even more important:

-good diet

-quality 9 hours of sleep every night

That's pretty much it lol

Swaglord_the_real_one_1_one_1 wrote:

Yeah lol it's pretty simple, but you forget stuff that's even more important:

-good diet

-quality 9 hours of sleep every night

That's pretty much it lol

Those things are less important than training.

Ehh they're somewhat important. A lot of elite runners I know have told me their diets are horrible. Sleep maybe. Mostly training though.

Also, I the first part is definitely the most important. Most people think they need to get faster to run a fast mile, but really they need to develop the strength to hold their speed for the duration. Strength is very hard to develop and why a lot of speedy people are often left wondering why they can't run a faster mile (ie me lol)

I would say this is pretty close to solid training for mile-5k especially at HS level and might break it down further

Tempo- Daniels T pace

Longish intervals-- 800-mile Daniels I pace

Short repeats- 200-800's @ mile or 800 pace

short sprints- strides and hill sprints

Easy miles-- a decent amount of them progressively more each year.

year round with different emphasis obviously depending on time of year/season.

And yes strength equals speed!!

you guys do any strength training on top of that? Body wieght stuff? Is it important?

yes both some strength and body weight work.. It's not as important as the running but making time for some of it without sacrificing the running helps.

For me it's:

Easy miles -- always by FEEL; easy is a feel (to me) not a pace, it usually falls in between Daniels' range but I don't aim to hit any times just running relaxed and comfortable so I get the aerobic benefits

Tempo -- Daniels T pace I use; "comfortably hard" is too vague for me so I stick to his charts based on my current fitness

Short intervals (200-400) -- They're so short I often find it too hard to hit a specific pace so I simplify it; run FAST; I don't sprint but I run as fast as I can while maintaining good form and being somewhat relaxed, much faster than mile pace but again not a sprint

Long intervals (800-1600) -- Same for short intervals, just not as fast obvious. I run hard enough that I get a good workout but nowhere near a race effort obviously.

I find it difficult to abide to paces for track intervals as you can tell. For tempos off the track out on the roads it is the opposite, "comfortably hard" is too vague and you either go too hard or too slow. This is the only workout I use a specific pace for. Easy running is slow and varies by the day depending on how I feel, etc.

Just my opinion and my two cents.

- fastboy77

fastboy77 wrote:

Ehh they're somewhat important. A lot of elite runners I know have told me their diets are horrible. Sleep maybe. Mostly training though.

Sleep maybe. Diet no, not important.

seattle prattle wrote:

you guys do any strength training on top of that? Body wieght stuff? Is it important?

Also not important.

fastboy77 wrote:

Ehh they're somewhat important. A lot of elite runners I know have told me their diets are horrible. Sleep maybe. Mostly training though.

Ok, now answer these three questions:

1) Do adaptations occur during training or at rest?

2) Based on your answer, which would be more important?

3) Which of the two athletes below can better maximize, recover, and adapt from a training session better?

Runner A: Bad diet, and lack of sleep.

Runner B: Good diet, and adequate sleep.

There’s nothing special about your post

training IQ wrote:

Runner A: Bad diet, and lack of sleep.

Runner B: Good diet, and adequate sleep.

Whichever one trains harder. If runner A is Bill Rogers and runner B is a vegan Youtuber then it's A.

Can't eat your way to a 4:10 wrote:

training IQ wrote:

Runner A: Bad diet, and lack of sleep.

Runner B: Good diet, and adequate sleep.

Whichever one trains harder. If runner A is Bill Rogers and runner B is a vegan Youtuber then it's A.

Only if runner B has a lot more talent. All other things equal runner A wins every time.

If you can’t answer the first two questions correctly, Then question 3 is too difficult for you.

FYI,

it is annoying that you are posting under this handle and fastboy77.

training IQ wrote:

fastboy77 wrote:

Ehh they're somewhat important. A lot of elite runners I know have told me their diets are horrible. Sleep maybe. Mostly training though.

Ok, now answer these three questions:

1) Do adaptations occur during training or at rest?

2) Based on your answer, which would be more important?

3) Which of the two athletes below can better maximize, recover, and adapt from a training session better?

Runner A: Bad diet, and lack of sleep.

Runner B: Good diet, and adequate sleep.

1) Rest.

2) Training.

3) B, but not by huge margin.

Hey, can we just say that training is what can fundamentally achieve improvement for a runner, and that adequate rest and a healthy diet are important insofar as they enable the adaptations brought on by that training?

seattle prattle wrote:

Hey, can we just say that training is what can fundamentally achieve improvement for a runner, and that adequate rest and a healthy diet are important insofar as they enable the adaptations brought on by that training?

Yeah and flushing the toilet is a good idea even if your pee looks like water.

This is a training topic so I think it makes sense to stick to workouts.

What's it like to have such tight limits on your ideas and thought? Do you find it at all restrictive and confining? I would imagine it would.