Can I throw in a tempo run? My training plan

I'm not sure what a tinman tempo is compared to a tempo based on effort around the paces Daniels or McMillan would calculate. However it seems like you're asking if you can substitute 40 minutes of quality for 8 minutes of quality. That's a no.

40 = 8 is not true.

Maybe if your 8 minutes are quite hard (which they could be because they are hills) and a tinman tempo is something easier than what I am thinking of as a tempo, then this idea could work out. Still, it seems like 8x1 min. hard hills would be more beneficial with the rest of the schedule you have written.

Tinman tempo (from my understanding) is 5k pace + 1min. I would drop the hills to 6-8 at 30 seconds if I added the TT.

Another thought is throwing in the TTempo for a 2 week cycle each month, or every other week. I guess I’m already doing 2 big workouts so it’s not absolutely necessary, but I noticed several example weeks on this site included CV, TT, and long run with some efforts for runners with comparable backgrounds as me.

You are already getting tempo training in your LR, you are getting long intervals/fartlek on Tues, and you are doing some shorter hills on Thurs. The only base you are not covering is faster intervals/fartlek. Maybe alt. weeks of hills with shorter, faster 8X1 min Fartlek @ 2mile> 1mile pace/effort 1:30-2 min JR-on the flats? 8 miles total in between the 6s, would be better too, IMO- if you are not doing it already.

Another Idea is alt. LRs with what you are doing and a slower MPish tinman of 1 hr in the LR.

So what’s the purpose/benefit of the faster 1mins you suggested? Hitting 8 miles on Thursdays in total currently with ez 6 + hills.

I figure I can run 6+ months of base training before adding more ‘speed’ workouts, so I’d like to keep my workouts with that in mind and that will benefit the marathon. Saying that, is this a good base training schedule?

I just can’t nail down if adding an easy tempo on Thursday is necessary with my 2 big days already in place. I’ve seen Tom Schwartz give sample weeks that included CV, tinman tempo, and long run - so I guess I thought he didn’t view the tinman tempo as “going to well”.

danpalmer wrote:

So what’s the purpose/benefit of the faster 1mins you suggested? Hitting 8 miles on Thursdays in total currently with ez 6 + hills.

I figure I can run 6+ months of base training before adding more ‘speed’ workouts, so I’d like to keep my workouts with that in mind and that will benefit the marathon. Saying that, is this a good base training schedule?

I just can’t nail down if adding an easy tempo on Thursday is necessary with my 2 big days already in place. I’ve seen Tom Schwartz give sample weeks that included CV, tinman tempo, and long run - so I guess I thought he didn’t view the tinman tempo as “going to well”.

More to keep in touch with faster speed, but the 200s on Tues, would do the same thing.

It looks pretty good to me, and like you said, you can add the faster stuff later toward peak.

Looks like what is in place will get you plenty strong, and you could always work in that later if you feel you need it or want to try it- or week starts to feels like it is lacking (too easy), or you could alt. weeks with it in and out. The benefit would be more run time around MP. Plenty of time to experiment. Good luck! ?