Fauci is full of baloney

Armstronglivs wrote:

This site continues with what it has become during the pandemic - an unabashed vehicle for disinformation on public health, covid denial and right wing propaganda on the pandemic. Even Twitter and Facebook have attempted to prevent that. But not Letsrun. And with currency given to those views America continues to lead the world in deaths and infections.

You are a flat out lying. You are the disinformation. People hoping to discuss all angles is not disinformation. You do not understand science by any means if you are making statements like the above, you are simply a tool pushing a dogma, a religion, over scientific though, debate and inquiry. Most likely, your efforts are even intentionally deceptive. At best, ignorant of science and reality.

At 200,000 cases per day, which is already overwhelming our health system after less than a month of it and adding as much as 40% to our usual daily deaths (3000/7600), we'd require 3.4 years to reach herd immunity (estimating 75% of 332 million people, or 249 million), and that's only if everyone who got COVID-19 had continuing immunity to the virus and the virus didn't evolve in ways that mooted immunity (early on, it had already evolved to spread much more than the Wuhan version, and that more infectious version has almost entirely replaced the first strain).

During that time, without a cure, we might be looking at more than five times the current death toll, in the vicinity of 1.5 million to 2 million. All lives matter, right?

Of course, there are trade-offs, but what is interesting is that while decrying trade-offs, Republicans and anti-vaxxers have refused to lobby Congress or to push through Congress things like the HEROES Act, which would provide aid to mitigate all those negative effects until the public is vaccinated.

zxczxcv wrote:

At 200,000 cases per day, which is already overwhelming our health system after less than a month of it and adding as much as 40% to our usual daily deaths (3000/7600), we'd require 3.4 years to reach herd immunity (estimating 75% of 332 million people, or 249 million), and that's only if everyone who got COVID-19 had continuing immunity to the virus and the virus didn't evolve in ways that mooted immunity (early on, it had already evolved to spread much more than the Wuhan version, and that more infectious version has almost entirely replaced the first strain).

During that time, without a cure, we might be looking at more than five times the current death toll, in the vicinity of 1.5 million to 2 million. All lives matter, right?

Evidence for these fear-mongering statements? Do you need research funding? Is that your motive? There are more honest ways to stay afloat in academia.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

This site continues with what it has become during the pandemic - an unabashed vehicle for disinformation on public health, covid denial and right wing propaganda on the pandemic. Even Twitter and Facebook have attempted to prevent that. But not Letsrun. And with currency given to those views America continues to lead the world in deaths and infections.

You are a flat out lying. You are the disinformation. People hoping to discuss all angles is not disinformation. You do not understand science by any means if you are making statements like the above, you are simply a tool pushing a dogma, a religion, over scientific though, debate and inquiry. Most likely, your efforts are even intentionally deceptive. At best, ignorant of science and reality.

The OP's stances include that COVID numbers are fake due to his own anecdotal experiences and that the "virus" (he likes using quotes for that) is something created by powerful Jewish individuals to gain more power. But sure, no disinformation here.

totorious wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

You are a flat out lying. You are the disinformation. People hoping to discuss all angles is not disinformation. You do not understand science by any means if you are making statements like the above, you are simply a tool pushing a dogma, a religion, over scientific though, debate and inquiry. Most likely, your efforts are even intentionally deceptive. At best, ignorant of science and reality.

The OP's stances include that COVID numbers are fake due to his own anecdotal experiences and that the "virus" (he likes using quotes for that) is something created by powerful Jewish individuals to gain more power. But sure, no disinformation here.

1.) I have not seen anything written by Unkle regarding powerful Jewish people; that would be in the realm of outlandish.

2.) There are a lot of people, including doctors and academics, that believe, while the virus is real, that the numbers are inflated due to the testing strategies we are using and the manner with which deaths are both attributed and compensated for, along with legal reprecussions for those that do not report possible covid deaths as covid deaths.

#2 is a very fair angle to be discussing this year and those demanding a silencing of that discussion have an agenda, 100%. I have not seen any evidence of #1 you are claiming, but I don't support those ideas.

Armstronglivs wrote:

This site continues with what it has become during the pandemic - an unabashed vehicle for disinformation on public health, covid denial and right wing propaganda on the pandemic. Even Twitter and Facebook have attempted to prevent that. But not Letsrun. And with currency given to those views America continues to lead the world in deaths and infections.

More lies. The US is 12th in deaths per capita (which is the ultimate indicator of actual case numbers as infection numbers are never really known due to the high number of individuals with un-confirmed cases of COVID) and has been dropping over the past few months behind primarily European countries that have been rising up the lists. Over the past month we are ranked 27th in terms of deaths per capita behind most of Europe, and over the past two weeks we rank 24th (again, behind most of Europe).

Just because you willfully ignore it doesn't mean those misinformation stances haven't been taken by The Unkle on here, which is exactly what Armstrong pointed out, which you incorrectly called "flat out lying". Enjoy continuing to defend him. I'll pass on engaging further.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

This site continues with what it has become during the pandemic - an unabashed vehicle for disinformation on public health, covid denial and right wing propaganda on the pandemic. Even Twitter and Facebook have attempted to prevent that. But not Letsrun. And with currency given to those views America continues to lead the world in deaths and infections.

You are a flat out lying. You are the disinformation. People hoping to discuss all angles is not disinformation. You do not understand science by any means if you are making statements like the above, you are simply a tool pushing a dogma, a religion, over scientific though, debate and inquiry. Most likely, your efforts are even intentionally deceptive. At best, ignorant of science and reality.

Exhibit A.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

You are a flat out lying. You are the disinformation. People hoping to discuss all angles is not disinformation. You do not understand science by any means if you are making statements like the above, you are simply a tool pushing a dogma, a religion, over scientific though, debate and inquiry. Most likely, your efforts are even intentionally deceptive. At best, ignorant of science and reality.

Exhibit A.

How? You decide what is fair to speak about? We all must be silence for your peace of mind?

zxczxcv wrote:

Of course, there are trade-offs, but what is interesting is that while decrying trade-offs, Republicans and anti-vaxxers have refused to lobby Congress or to push through Congress things like the HEROES Act, which would provide aid to mitigate all those negative effects until the public is vaccinated.

Like I've said many times. I think the seriousness of this is much exaggerated and I am not for destroying the us currency further to avoid something with a death rate very similar to the flu. You look at places like Florida and South Dakota that have stayed open, health care is not overwhelmed and people are not dying on mass. You can deal with this by taking commonsense measures and protecting the extremely vulnerable.

As far as grouping the Republicans and anti vaxxers. You do realize the majority of vaccine hesitation is in Blue states? Maybe the party of "science" leaders like Cuomo and Harris should not have been casting skepticism on any vaccine created during the Trump administration.

But the good news is that flu deaths are down, and death from heart disease is down, and diabetes......

And don’t you worry about all those young people’s lives which have been devastated by these lockdowns ... it doesn’t affect you.

If the coronavirus death rate in the United States were similar to that of Australia, it would have had 187,661 fewer COVID-19 deaths (94% of reported deaths), and, compared with Canada, it would have had 117,622 fewer deaths (59%).

Before May 10, the United States had a lower coronavirus death rate than other high-mortality countries, but after that date, all six of the other high-mortality countries (Belgium, France, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom) had lower death rates than the United States. For example, Italy's death rate from May 10 to Sep 19 was 0.01%, compared with 0.04% in the United States.

But since May 10, the United States has had the highest all-cause death rate of all high-mortality countries.

The authors concluded that COVID-19 deaths and excess deaths from any cause in the United States likely were due to a poor pandemic response rather than an early surge of coronavirus cases before virus prevention and treatment methods were improved.

In another editorial in the same journal, JAMA Editor-in-Chief Howard Bauchner, MD, and Executive Editor Phil Fontanarosa, MD, MBA, said that the second study results suggest that more than 400,000 excess deaths will have occurred by the end of 2020, the importance of which "cannot be overstated, because it accounts for what could be declines in some causes of death, like motor vehicle crashes, but increases in others, like myocardial infarction."

"These deaths reflect a true measure of the human cost of the Great Pandemic of 2020," they wrote. "These deaths far exceed the number of US deaths from some armed conflicts, such as the Korean War and the Vietnam War, and deaths from the 2009 H1N1 (swine flu) pandemic, and approach the number of deaths from World War II."

zxczxcv wrote:

At 200,000 cases per day, which is already overwhelming our health system after less than a month of it and adding as much as 40% to our usual daily deaths (3000/7600), we'd require 3.4 years to reach herd immunity (estimating 75% of 332 million people, or 249 million), and that's only if everyone who got COVID-19 had continuing immunity to the virus and the virus didn't evolve in ways that mooted immunity (early on, it had already evolved to spread much more than the Wuhan version, and that more infectious version has almost entirely replaced the first strain).

During that time, without a cure, we might be looking at more than five times the current death toll, in the vicinity of 1.5 million to 2 million. All lives matter, right?

You are still of the delusional belief that confirmed case numbers are actual case numbers? The reality is that actual case numbers are still significantly higher than confirmed numbers due to narrow testing windows for detection and the fact that people with mild symptoms or are completely asymptomatic (which is 40% of cases) do not get tested. The IFR is approximately 0.26% and dropping, which means that 308,683 deaths would translate into 118,724,231 actual cases (about 35% of the US population), which means that we are 1/2 the way towards herd immunity (some places like NYC are likely already at that point). With 100 million vaccines expected to be deployed by April (assuming those are hitting people that have not had COVID already or are in the demographic most likely to die from this), then we will be at herd immunity by April. Unfortunately, you can't shutdown the economy to protect the lives of the very old without having an adverse impact on the lives of everyone else.

All lives do matter, which is why we must act in a manner that protects that preserves the greatest number of years of life across the board and does not adversely affect the life expectancy of current and future generations who will have to deal with decreased government services in the future due to the excessive amount of debt being generated by the shutdowns.

Australia is an island nation, seriously? And Canada, it is one 10th the size of the US. Everything you just posted is an opinion coming from the Dogmatic church leaders you pray to, not scientific facts. All cause excess deaths, but not covid deaths? Meaning our stupid response has killed more people than it saved? Yes, I agree here. We are nowhere near the worst nation in the world though and you are about the biggest liar I have witnessed on this site, who then has the gall to demand the silencing of differing opinions to the opinions you espouse. You sir are really the most dangerous problem the world faces today, not the virus.

The data is irrefutable; the US is the worst nation in the world for the pandemic, leading in both deaths and infections. The US is 4% of the world's population yet accounts for over 20% of Covid deaths and infections. Covid denial, such as yours, is a major contributor to your nation's lamentable response to the pandemic. You and your ilk are a public menace.

Armstronglivs wrote:

This site continues with what it has become during the pandemic - an unabashed vehicle for disinformation on public health, covid denial and right wing propaganda on the pandemic. Even Twitter and Facebook have attempted to prevent that. But not Letsrun. And with currency given to those views America continues to lead the world in deaths and infections.

Do you have anything of substance to say or are you only here to enforce the official narrative?

Yep.

They tell us 16 million Americans have been infected and the number may be much larger.

That is 1 in every 20 Americans. At least.

Well. Where are they? I know hundreds or people at least. Not a soul has been made sick from this.

Will you ever wake up to the lies?