Fauci is full of baloney

He must be referring to all of the Doctors who allowed the 300,000 patients to die. Who else allowed them to die? I am pretty sure that their fellow citizens would have driven a stranger to the ER if they saw them having a heart attack.

Why are you incapable of using the quote function?

checking in to this thread wrote:

Why are you incapable of using the quote function?

Why is this so important to you? OCD?

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

checking in to this thread wrote:

Why are you incapable of using the quote function?

Why is this so important to you? OCD?

Because it is common amongst bots.

do you really think Unkle is a bot? Who would program that?

He’s either that or mentally challenged. Those are the only types that continually fail at basic cognitive functions.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Who specifically do you think allowed the deaths of 300,000 americans form Covid? Was some super human being prevented from intervening and saving us all. Was there actually a possibility of doing better than we did or anything at all. Who are you blaming for these deaths? What proof do you have that the people you blame are to blame? What are the strategies we should have employed that would have saved them and where is the evidence they would have worked? If we failed, why did we do everything we did, and sacrifice the lives of livelihoods of so many if it was for not?

I have mentioned elsewhere:

1) redundant pipelines for testing

2) working with and learning from international community like South Korea

3) Supporting building up the public health systems in the state so that contact tracing could have been effective earlier on

4) Creating a regulatory loophole for Cheap rapid paper tests for public health use, not clinical use.

5) Leader ship rmphasizing you importance of social distancing and wearing masks both in words and deeds,

6) consistent messaging.

Yes, we could have done better and other countries have.

The Unkle wrote:

We are told there have been over 16 million Covid cases in America so far. Yet I don't know one person who has been sick with this.

I can't imagine you have that many friends to begin with, perhaps none.

Promote a healthy lifestyle centering on diet and exercise.

He lost lots of credibility with me when he intentionally told the American public at the outset of the pandemic that masks were basically worthless which allowed the initial infection level to exceed the 1% threshold for keeping it under control. Some of what he says has value, while some makes no sense. Saying that Trump should get the vaccine is insane. It makes about as much sense as the NFL fining guys like Gruden and Payton for not wearing masks when both of them already had COVID. It is time for some fresh perspective at this position. Having a 79 year old recommending policy for a disease that primarily affects geriatric populations is a bit of a conflict of interests. Unfortunately those policies have profound economic and health consequences for those who are largely spared by this disease.

Yes, although we certainly have seen a big push back against those efforts in the past. I doubt it would have significantly modified the piece of the pandemic, but I do have great concerns about the long term effects of the Covid 15.

joedirtt wrote:

He lost lots of credibility with me when he intentionally told the American public at the outset of the pandemic that masks were basically worthless which allowed the initial infection level to exceed the 1% threshold for keeping it under control.

So you're pissed we weren't all wearing masks all the time from day one and blame Fauci for that is what I am hearing right there.

And what is "intentionally told"?

The initial question was about how much a mask protects you when someone breathes on you, not so much how you are protecting others in case you unknowingly have it.

And the nation needed time to ramp up protection. Standard masks were on short supply and production had to ramp up.

Someone who corrects course after further knowledge gains credibility with me more so than those who never waiver from their initial gut reaction.

Not true. He admitted that he lied so that people would not run out and purchase masks that were needed by the Healthcare industry.

Dr. Fowchi wrote:

Not true. He admitted that he lied so that people would not run out and purchase masks that were needed by the Healthcare industry.

This. Don't trust liars with the health and safety of our nation and our children. You will never know when he is telling the truth or deceiving you, that is a fact.

If you really cared about public health and the efficacy of vaccines, you would be asking why there isn't more funding going into development a nasal spray/oral sugar cube version of the vaccine. That is where you will find a big pharma scandal.

As for Fauci's comments, take a step back and realize that most of the experts, including Fauci, thought that an approved vaccine would take at least 18 months. The world record for vaccine approval to date was the vaccine for the mumps. That took four years. Most other vaccines took a decade plus to develop. The COVID 19 vaccines are getting approved in about 10 months. So, if your hot take is that it is taking too long, you are just being an a hole.

Then, the issue of herd immunity and relaxing social distancing and mask wearing is not an on off switch. It is a continuum of risk. The current vaccines are 95% effective (again, the benchmark was just 50%, another stunning achievement of the scientists who the deniers spend all day trashing instead of congratulating). The vaccines probably will not prevent transmission, but that is unknown. The vaccine that goes into your arm does not induce a response in the mouth and nose. So, the virus will be able to survive and replicate in your nasal cavity and be transmitted through droplets. It will not be able to replicate in the rest of your body. That is why you won't get sick or only have a very moderate infection. A sugar cube or nasal spray version of the vaccine would stimulate a response in your upper respiratory system and should prevent transmission. We do not know how much keeping the virus out of your lungs will help reduce transmission. It should help, but it will be months before we know how much.

So, when the vaccine is being rolled out, people who are not vaccinated can still get infected and get sick. And 5% of those who are vaccinated can also get sick. Herd immunity will be achieved when enough people are vaccinated to get the R value under 1. But that does not mean that no one is getting sick. It just means that the virus is no longer able to spread beyond the current number of people who are infected. You need to get to the next level which is getting the level of infection as close to zero as possible. The R value can be under 1, but there still could be over 100k new infections every day with only a small reduction in cases day to day due to people not wearing masks and giving up on social distancing. That is why Fauci says that those measures will still be needed once herd immunity is achieved. The vaccine will put out the forest fire, but it will leave embers. Social distancing and masks will be needed to stamp out all the embers. Once the embers are out, we can go back to normal with good monitoring, testing and tracing to catch and keep local and outbreaks.

Tough choice, take the advice of Dr Fauci or take the advice of The Unkle.

The Unkle still hasn’t figured out how to use the quote on LR.

If a vaccine results in the body churning out antibodies to prevent the virus's spike proteins from being able to attach itself to cells, why would the virus be able to replicate in your nasal passages? Wouldn't those same antibodies be present/available to that area of the body?

Stuck at home wrote:

If a vaccine results in the body churning out antibodies to prevent the virus's spike proteins from being able to attach itself to cells, why would the virus be able to replicate in your nasal passages? Wouldn't those same antibodies be present/available to that area of the body?

While usually Precious is a bit full of it, I do believe he is implying infection of epithelial cells in you nasal cavities which would obviously be more vulnerable and unprotected by an immune response.

Amem!

I think there has been zero open discussion about trades offs between the damages of the virus and response. And I think it fair to ask for this discussion and not be called ignorant or heartless.

I do think this is being used for cover of an economic collapse. The fiat currency crisis we are about to see has been coming for decades and accelerated since the end of the later Bush's term. Now the politicians can blame this on Covid rather than irresponsible monetary policy.