Fauci is full of baloney

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

99.7%= .3% die

Got it. But science can't isolate a gene, codon, chromosome or blood type (or blood antibodies) that can predict who will be in that .3%

Those that care don't want their loved ones or own selves to be in that .3%

You can't even guarantee you're not destined to be.

This is not true either. They can predict pretty well who is likely to be in trouble with this virus. The same goes for cancer, diabetes, etc....all have much higher fatality rates than this cold virus. It is a severe cold virus.

Some cold. It has killed more Americans in less than a year than died in 4 years of combat in WW2.

2600 bro wrote:

It would be a feat of engineering if we could produce 14 billion doses a year. I hope it happens, we would never have a pandemic ever again.

Obviously you'd rather people just die

Cue my favorite LFH XXIIV quote: "murderous psychopath"

The Unkle wrote:

Maybe. 7 billion vaccines twice a year forever.

Best case scenario is its a money grab.

Then there is the real chance that this rushed vaccine is going to seriously hurt a ton of people -- by accident.'

Worst case is that the plan is to hurt a lot of people

WTF??? You are sick.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

This is not true either. They can predict pretty well who is likely to be in trouble with this virus. The same goes for cancer, diabetes, etc....all have much higher fatality rates than this cold virus. It is a severe cold virus.

Some cold. It has killed more Americans in less than a year than died in 4 years of combat in WW2.

I did not say it was a nice cold, hence "severe cold", but corona viruses are one of the handful of virus types considered the cause of the common cold. It is what it is, a severe cold and yes sick elderly people die every year from harsh cold, just like they have in greater fashion this year. It is a very bad cold year for certain.

If you are going with life-years , something like 30 times more than lost in 9/11. Probably slightly less than the entirety of the Vietnam War, but it looks like they will be equal right around the end of the year.

You appear to be using the genus of a virus to determine its severity. That seems like a pretty bad method

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

[quote]2600 bro wrote:

It would be a feat of engineering if we could produce 14 billion doses a year. I hope it happens, we would never have a pandemic ever again.

Obviously you'd rather people just die

Cue my favorite LFH XXIIV quote: "murderous psychopath"

WTF??? You are sick.

Lol.

"You want to end all pandemics, but then I would have nothing to rant about online. Therefore, you're sick"

I am agreeing more and more with the "murderous psychopath" label you love to toss onto others. Why wouldn't you rid the world of infectious disease?

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

[quote]2600 bro wrote:

It would be a feat of engineering if we could produce 14 billion doses a year. I hope it happens, we would never have a pandemic ever again.

Obviously you'd rather people just die

Cue my favorite LFH XXIIV quote: "murderous psychopath"

WTF??? You are sick.

Lol.

"You want to end all pandemics, but then I would have nothing to rant about online. Therefore, you're sick"

I am agreeing more and more with the "murderous psychopath" label you love to toss onto others. Why wouldn't you rid the world of infectious disease?

That is a nice desire, but at what cost to society are you willing to achieve this. Mostly, it seems like rich people thinking they are doing a good thing by demanding the rest of the world suffers so they can achieve their naive childish goals. Then they guilt the poor people into compliance with arguments such as your. My take, you are likely on the well off and arrogant side of the spectrum, and believe you are saving the world somehow from all of the gross common people spreading disease all over the globe. How about, get over yourself, you are not that important. It is time to balance our naive ambitions to squash one virus with the needs of 99% of the world's population. This is general how we have approached disease globally, until 2020 when the psychotic wealthy elite (and I mean people that are well off enough to weather out this crisis) decided it was time their godliness was served to them. No thank you, I don't want your false selfish guilt; I would rather worry about the suffering of the world's poor created by the pandemic response while being reasonably cautious with this difficult cold virus.

I just want cheap rapid vaccines for future infection diseases. How is that sick?

This is one positive we can take from the last 9 months: mRNA vaccines seem to work -- very well.

This -could- have big implications.

I don't think that is "sick" in any way. Nor is disease eradication "naive and childish."

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Lead Foil Hat wrote:

How about, get over yourself, you are not that important. It is time to balance our naive ambitions to squash one virus with the needs of 99% of the world's population. This is general how we have approached disease globally, until 2020 when the psychotic wealthy elite (and I mean people that are well off enough to weather out this crisis) decided it was time their godliness was served to them.

That's some first-class screwed up moral reasoning. You have no idea at all how vaccination and herd immunity work.

Historically, there were no vaccines and diseases spread and MILLIONS OF PEOPLE died, especially poor people who couldn't flee crowded cities to wait out the plague in their countryside manors.

Now that we have vaccines, we all take a minute risk of a serious adverse reaction by getting vaccinated. That shared risk helps protect everyone from getting infected. The reason measles is still killing kids every year is because of selfish free riders who want to enjoy the herd immunity but don't want the risk, so they don't get immunized and put us all in danger. Vaccinations aren't 100% effective, and if my kid's measles vaccination didn't lead to immunity, then your selfish free riding is putting her at risk.

Get over yourself. Like you say, you're not important. What's important is everyone contributing to herd immunity by getting vaccinated. If you have some unlikely adverse reaction, remember, in the grand scheme of things, you're not important. Your sacrifice is a contribution to the near-universal level of vaccination necessary to keep everyone safe. The 99% are far better served by not getting infected than they are by anything else you can do. Just get the damn shot and avoid sickening and killing people. It's that simple.

Don't get vaccinated because THINK OF THE POORS? That's so backwards and wrong-headed, it's ridiculous.

I agree with the issue about mRNA vaccines, standard modeling indicates that the world is becoming increasingly predisposed towards pandemics. We SHOULD have been prepared. To be unprepared for the next one would be unconscionable.

LFH Regarding world economic impacts I am sympathetic to that argument. Would love to see any good references on that. As you may have guessed by now, I find the math of interest.

In the United States by itself, the hardest hit communities are underprivileged minorities, so I think wake me up United States by itself, that argument isn’t as strong

Sorry last sentence should read “looking at the United States by itself, that argument isn’t as strong.”

P S the economic argument seems to make a lot more sense regarding travel and business restrictions than vaccines. I would think that the faster we vaccinate, the faster we open, the more money flows towards other countries.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Some cold. It has killed more Americans in less than a year than died in 4 years of combat in WW2.

I did not say it was a nice cold, hence "severe cold", but corona viruses are one of the handful of virus types considered the cause of the common cold. It is what it is, a severe cold and yes sick elderly people die every year from harsh cold, just like they have in greater fashion this year. It is a very bad cold year for certain.

How about a "cold" that is 4x more fatal than a bullet?

The cost would be significantly less a sliver of the cost of the global disease burden. Your implication is that the vast majority of the world is OK with ~ 2 million intestinal disease deaths (mostly children), 1.4 million TB deaths, 700k AIDS deaths, etc. Alas, it would be too much of a burden to eradicate these diseases with modern biotech. Then you can add the 200 million malaria infections in year and the societal burden of caring for the sick - but no, it would be an "imposition" on people's "needs" to eradicate malaria. WTF??? Then you can think about the applications of mRNA vaccines modern biotech to cancer immunotherapies. Surely though, it's better to just continue with chemotherapies that are no undue burden at all (HA). Sorry that I welcome a world where we can quickly and efficiently treat and prevent disease. You are horribly naive of the status quo if you believe current the current state of global health isn't a "burden" on most societies. Furthermore, lockdowns and the economic implications of COVID-19 are because we haven't invested enough in modern solutions - luckily that is primed to changed! Nothing you can do to stop progress, sorry!

Id rather get medical advice from Dr. Frankenstein.