What is your opinion on psychiatrists

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Bad Wigins wrote:

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In a way it is true. I am free of any medication because I choose not to take any.

Two psychiatrists I've seen wanted me drugged up. I took the advice of one of them before learning to think for myself.

Greg wrote:

Two psychiatrists I've seen wanted me drugged up. I took the advice of one of them before learning to think for myself.

Have you ever tried listening to medical professionals? It might stop threads such as this.

bryan evans wrote:

Greg wrote:

Two psychiatrists I've seen wanted me drugged up. I took the advice of one of them before learning to think for myself.

Have you ever tried listening to medical professionals? It might stop threads such as this.

Try 100mg of seroquel daily for a week and then get back to me

Greg wrote:

bryan evans wrote:

Have you ever tried listening to medical professionals? It might stop threads such as this.

Try 100mg of seroquel daily for a week and then get back to me

No, you.

bryan evans wrote:

Greg wrote:

Try 100mg of seroquel daily for a week and then get back to me

No, you.

I've tried it, you haven't. Therefor I have expeirence you don't, dimwit

Greg wrote:

bryan evans wrote:

No, you.

I've tried it, you haven't. Therefor I have expeirence you don't, dimwit

Don't be a quitter.

Honestly...

They help some people with severe disorders who need some kind of help. I guess they provide safeguards in some ways.

They make things worse for some people. Similar to the issues you mentioned - labelling people and then that label sticks for life. The label can often have negative results. It can also partially cause people to act in a certain way.

The issue here as well is that a huge amount of them are unable to relate to anyone different from themselves, especially young people (although this is changing).

A lot of the older ones have very traditional views of certain illnesses that just don't hold true any more.

I do not envy their job. They get chairs thrown at them and worse.

Although that is not surprising from some of the stuff they come out with. There are some good ones, obviously, but there are some with a not very pleasant mindset. It can attract people who like control and not in a positive way.

It needs a complete overhaul in my opinion but that will never happen. People with mental illness are often viewed as disposable and it is just so wrong. They are not listened to and they will be disbelieved and the psychiatrist will be automatically believed as if they never could be wrong, it would just not be possible.

Let's face it if you have strep throat penicillin works great. Specific bacterial infection, specific drug that treats it. Medicine at its best

If you have a vague set of symptoms or even a specific emotional, mood, feeling disturbance. There's no analogy like the above where in the long-term you can get a drug and correct that and go on with life

I think for some people just the idea of seeing someone and believing in a specific treatment. And quite possibly just the experience of a mind-altering or change of perspective creating psychotropic drug can be effective

But it's not science it's more, a plethora of variables that can't really be known if it'll work out to make things better or worse

Sorry a bit of a ramble, just the basic point that you never know if psychotropic drugs are going to help you or hurt you and the science to back them up is not very solid

Combine that with the fact that they all have a ton of side effects, and a high rate of side effects for medication in general, makes it all pretty problematic

Anyway what I've learned from studying science is that a little thing called homeostasis is tough to argue away. And the bottom line is almost always you'll find some stability that's probably better to do it with minimal amount of drugs and complicating factors

The bottom line is that yeah for extreme cases there seems to be some benefit and sometimes there's nowhere else to turn. And you're probably better off with a psychiatrist then some type of pseudo-scientific venture

Greg wrote:

They will place labels on people to rationalize how they perceieve them to be when

people are more than labels.

So now people are more than labels? But on the other thread when posters were talking about you getting a job you were all defensive saying you were on disability benefits so you were entitled to the money?

Hypocrite much?

After a very traumatic experience I saw a psychiatrist for two months. She was supposed to be one of the best in the specific area. A waste of time and money.

I later started seeing a psychologist I happened to meet by chance. We worked together for 7 months and the positive changes were extremely influencial in my life.

Point being, sometimes you just have to find the right person to work with you.

In my book there is all type of humans. Some are well and some are bad.

Generally speaking I say that the psychiatrists are for the rich. So it's luxury. What I mean by that is: is it for the well being of the clients and not for the bad being of the client if I said it's luxury.

Greg wrote:

bryan evans wrote:

Have you ever tried listening to medical professionals? It might stop threads such as this.

Try 100mg of seroquel daily for a week and then get back to me

Well, if the doc is prescribing anti-pyschotic drugs for autism....that is an issue right there. Get a new doc.

bryan evans wrote:

Greg wrote:

Two psychiatrists I've seen wanted me drugged up. I took the advice of one of them before learning to think for myself.

Have you ever tried listening to medical professionals? It might stop threads such as this.

Greg doesn't listen to anybody. Professionals or not.

1) Sometimes the label can be important for treatment, sometimes it can be useful for the patient to hear, but it is always required by insurance.

2) It sounds like you are talking about psychiatrists as "prescribers," if so, that's a poor use of them. I understand that is how the system pushes things, but a push back is useful

3) Any psychiatrist SHOULD be looking at the whole of the picture, as in what somatic and what non-somatic therapies are warranted

4) Somatic therapies are NOT JUST meds--exercise, time outdoors, sleep, and to a certain extent nutrition and supplements are very important

5) non-somatic therapies are NOT JUST talk therapy, routines, social structure all matter

6) 100mg of Seroquel for the vast majority of adults basically functions like a heaping dose of Benadryl. It is an antipsychotic, but for adults tends not to reach an antipsychotic effect until around 400mg. I hate the way I feel on antihistamines like Benadryl during the day.

A man walks into a psychiatrist's office wearing nothing but Saran Wrap underwear.

The psychiatrist says, "I can clearly see you're nuts".

They prescribe drugs. They are not therapists. They diagnose people according to their manual the DSM which can be very subjective as the criteria for diagnoses has changed over the years.

At that dose, it would most likely be uised as a sleep med, but yeah, using an antipsychotic for a sleep med doesn't make much sense either.

Regarding antipsychotics for autism, they may reduce aggression somewhat. If a child's aggression is to the point where it threatens their continued stay in their current environment(as in they are making it unsafe), and everyone agrees that that environment is the best place for the child, then I can understand trying to use one, although a lot of care regarding side effects is warranted. This anti-aggression effect of antipsychotics is actually across-the-board, not unique to autism. A recent meta-analysis indicated that Risperidone and Abilify reduce irritability in autism. Now, not everyone with autism has a huge problem with irritability and the side effects are significant, and one would want to modify the environment first, if possible, but there are times when it might be warranted.

You are correc in pointing out that antipsychotics(and all meds) don't address the core symptoms of autism

here is the study

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/cap.2018.0115

I've known a few psychiatrists and psychologists and they were screwed up themselves. I think the field attracts people who are interested in fixing themselves. You're probably just as likely to get better by talking to your hairstylist or barber. I'm not talking about those who are extremely mad, just the normal run-of-the-mill crazy... like most of us.

Greg wrote:

They will place labels on people to rationalize how they perceieve them to be when

people are more than labels.

The whole "I am more than my label" thing is just you objecting to an argument that no one made. A diagnosis isn't supposed to be a label that defines the entirety of a patient's being. The GI doc who diagnoses me with cholecystitis isn't saying that I am nothing more than a person with cholecystitis. He is simply saying that a particular set of symptoms I'm having are explained by a specific aliment. Likewise, the psychiatrist who diagnoses you with autism isn't arguing that autism defines you in your entirety.

So yes, you are more than a label, but no one is trying to argue otherwise. Labeling you as autistic does not run counter to the idea that you are more than a label.