Atkin runs 10k pb day after 13:18, help me understand

I think the real takeaway from this is that fresh Sam Atkin lost to Drew Hunter by 1 and then turned around to (on tired legs)beat fresh Robert Brandt by 13 seconds. How big would that be if Atkin was fresh? And how big would it be if Hunter was racing Brandt?

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baffled wrote:

This seems to throw every conventional thought of training leading up to a race out the window. Any past ideas that a given workout the week of a race might have been a little too tough seems ridiculous now. Why the heck do we normally only do an easy 5 miles the day before a race. This man literally ran an all out 13:18 5k and came back the next day and became the 4th fastest Brit in history over 10k. I just don’t understand how that’s possible.

Probably because the rate of rest required for something of distance compared to sprints is much different.

I usually saw the best results from taking 4 days off between hard 4 by 200 workout and 400 race day.

If I ran all out the day before the 400 race I would run slower on 400 race day.

This theory doesn't apply to certain distances in the distance world.

So for this type of distance. Such as running a 5k on sat and then the 10k on sunday the 24 hour rest period was adequate to produce another 10k pr the day after.

It only applies to certain events it seems.

When you're fit, you're fit ;)

Yeah, but running 5000m on the track with spikes would take a toll on many people, let alone running 10000m with spikes off 5000m with spikes. Impressive performance from this guy. Big props to Sam.

This is not unheard of... many of us doubled and tripled at Conference in college... my senior year was 10,000m, 3000m Steeplechase, 5000m.

2 the Gills my man!!

Standard Setter wrote:

This is not unheard of... many of us doubled and tripled at Conference in college... my senior year was 10,000m, 3000m Steeplechase, 5000m.

Yeah, plenty of people run great times in HS doubling/tripling within a 4-6 hour period. You probably aren't running your absolute best times, but with 24 hours in between, you are probably within 5-10 secs of the best you could do.

Well it does say that Hunter ran the wrong event. He could have hit the standard in the 10k and beat Brandt all at the same time.

Hunter is King wrote:

Well it does say that Hunter ran the wrong event. He could have hit the standard in the 10k and beat Brandt all at the same time.

No. Hunter is a 1500/5k guy. Atkin and Brandt are 5k/10k guys. Come on man, this is basic stuff.

This isn't true at all, recovery depends entirely on fitness.

Because Sam Atkin is the f*ckin' man! Maybe the pacing sucked in the 5k, didn't give him the result he wanted, was pissed and raced smart in the 10k and got the result. Super talented. Craziest part, HE DOES NOT HAVE A SHOE SPONSOR. SOMEONE SIGN THIS MAN

Who was that woman who won?

And Lomong and Houlihan are 800 runners.

bean dip only please wrote:

I think the real takeaway from this is that fresh Sam Atkin lost to Drew Hunter by 1 and then turned around to (on tired legs)beat fresh Robert Brandt by 13 seconds. How big would that be if Atkin was fresh? And how big would it be if Hunter was racing Brandt?

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#1 Lol. After all the hate Drew has gotten here, this is pretty funny.

#2 Just because something like this happens once does not mean it fits any sort of patter and can be applied to another runner. It's not the norm to go back to back like this. He must be super fit, had a strong taper, had good recovery, was in a good place mentally, etc. Amazing performance. Not sure we need to overthink it beyond that.

Yes, but the point is that had he attacked the 10k fresh, he would have beaten Brandt by even more. He lost to Hunter while fresh.

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Hunter is King wrote:

Well it does say that Hunter ran the wrong event. He could have hit the standard in the 10k and beat Brandt all at the same time.

No. Hunter is a 1500/5k guy. Atkin and Brandt are 5k/10k guys. Come on man, this is basic stuff.

Keep thinking that. Genzebe Dibaba just ran a 1:05 half. Guess she's no longer a 1500 gal physiologically. Rod Dixon did very well from 1500 all the way to the marathon. Sifan Hassan is laughing at you.

At the world championships indoors in 1997 Wilson Kipketer ran a WR for 800m in the heats, took it easy in the semi's, and then destroyed the WR he had just set in the heats in the final. I think those 3 races were on 3 successive days.

On top of that everyone knows Hunter is a strength based runner. He never outkicked Fisher in the last 400 he always had to grind him down from further out. I think with a focus on the 10000 he'd do far better in the Olympics than in the 1500 or 5K.

raptorkid10 wrote:

Because Sam Atkin is the f*ckin' man! Maybe the pacing sucked in the 5k, didn't give him the result he wanted, was pissed and raced smart in the 10k and got the result. Super talented. Craziest part, HE DOES NOT HAVE A SHOE SPONSOR. SOMEONE SIGN THIS MAN

He's training in America still I assume, does someone know what training group he's in?

I think he should go to ON. They could use a more diverse group