Joshua Cheptegei --->12:35 world record ---> 59.64 last lap ---> no one close to him.
Joshua Cheptegei --->12:35 world record ---> 59.64 last lap ---> no one close to him.
Arthur Fleck wrote:
Very good chance Grijalva will be competing in the Olympics. Not many people from Guatemala running 13:16. Was that a NR?
Yes he lowered his National Record from 13:37 to 13:16, he also has the Guatemala Record 3:39
Sdsu Azutec wrote:
what a loser wrote:
Hunter is talented but we want to see him with a better coach. Our gripe is with his coach, not with Hunter.
The fanboys are pathetic. I bet the tinman athletes are posting in defense of their hero.
What bad workouts is Hunter running and what should he be doing instead? Didn't he do similar training in HS? It's possible that he has already physically matured.
All of his training is bad and poorly programmed. One example that sticks out -
5x1200 starting at 5 min pace and ending near 4:10 pace with 400 jog recovery. Only 2 of the reps were hard. Right after the 1200s he did 4x200 in 29 for his speed training.
Worst workout I've ever seen. No wonder he's not running fast and he can't kick.
what a loser wrote:
Sdsu Azutec wrote:
What bad workouts is Hunter running and what should he be doing instead? Didn't he do similar training in HS? It's possible that he has already physically matured.
All of his training is bad and poorly programmed. One example that sticks out -
5x1200 starting at 5 min pace and ending near 4:10 pace with 400 jog recovery. Only 2 of the reps were hard. Right after the 1200s he did 4x200 in 29 for his speed training.
Worst workout I've ever seen. No wonder he's not running fast and he can't kick.
Eh forget his training, That is a fine workout.
But the guys he is training with are 30s slower than him. Hard to make a jump when you are top dog by such a crazy amount.
Not...Running...Fast? How many Americans have run as fast at his age? Look that one up and then rethink how you define words.
douglas burke wrote:
Arthur Fleck wrote:
Very good chance Grijalva will be competing in the Olympics. Not many people from Guatemala running 13:16. Was that a NR?
Yes he lowered his National Record from 13:37 to 13:16, he also has the Guatemala Record 3:39
What's the difference between the NR and the Guatamala record?
Just thought of this on my jog today. Are Grijalva, Avila, Teare and Young putting to rest the theory that great California High Schoolers don’t perform well after HS or are they just an anomaly?
13:16, 13:17 , 13:18 and 13:44 for a true freshman on the same date is pretty good for ex great California HSers that aren’t supposed to do anything after HS.
shootpost2 wrote:
what a loser wrote:
All of his training is bad and poorly programmed. One example that sticks out -
5x1200 starting at 5 min pace and ending near 4:10 pace with 400 jog recovery. Only 2 of the reps were hard. Right after the 1200s he did 4x200 in 29 for his speed training.
Worst workout I've ever seen. No wonder he's not running fast and he can't kick.
Eh forget his training, That is a fine workout.
But the guys he is training with are 30s slower than him. Hard to make a jump when you are top dog by such a crazy amount.
There are countless runners that didn't train with people anywhere near their level. Just about any HS 9:00 runner has no one to push them in workouts. German Fernandez was the only guy that could break 10:00 on his HS team.
Tinman said recently that Drew isn't sharp right now since the trials are still 6-7 months off. He even laughed at the idea of being sharp right now and said he would be worried if he was since they are so far off.
With that in mind I think this is a solid run for Drew. He hasn't indicated that he can hang with the Bowerman boys yet, but hopefully he makes good progress in the next 6 months to give it a good shot at the trials.
Sdsu Azutec wrote:
shootpost2 wrote:
Eh forget his training, That is a fine workout.
But the guys he is training with are 30s slower than him. Hard to make a jump when you are top dog by such a crazy amount.
There are countless runners that didn't train with people anywhere near their level. Just about any HS 9:00 runner has no one to push them in workouts. German Fernandez was the only guy that could break 10:00 on his HS team.
The problem with you SDSU Aztec is twice now you have compared high school running to pro running in defense of drew.
The pros aren't highschool.
In high school you are trying to improve from 60 to 80 % of your potential or there about.
As a pro you are trying to go from 99 to 99.999% your potential.
Thats where the small things like your workout group and specific workouts begin to make a huge difference.
Alexi Santana wrote:
Tinman said recently that Drew isn't sharp right now since the trials are still 6-7 months off. He even laughed at the idea of being sharp right now and said he would be worried if he was since they are so far off.
With that in mind I think this is a solid run for Drew. He hasn't indicated that he can hang with the Bowerman boys yet, but hopefully he makes good progress in the next 6 months to give it a good shot at the trials.
Well he missed the goal of the olympic standard so maybe ole Tinman shouldn't have been laughing and he shoulda been sharp.
shootpost2 wrote:
Alexi Santana wrote:
Tinman said recently that Drew isn't sharp right now since the trials are still 6-7 months off. He even laughed at the idea of being sharp right now and said he would be worried if he was since they are so far off.
With that in mind I think this is a solid run for Drew. He hasn't indicated that he can hang with the Bowerman boys yet, but hopefully he makes good progress in the next 6 months to give it a good shot at the trials.
Well he missed the goal of the olympic standard so maybe ole Tinman shouldn't have been laughing and he shoulda been sharp.
Or maybe he still has plenty of time to get it?
Sdsu Azutec wrote:
There are countless runners that didn't train with people anywhere near their level. Just about any HS 9:00 runner has no one to push them in workouts. German Fernandez was the only guy that could break 10:00 on his HS team.
There are countless guys that train alone. But Hunters group has a bunch of 13:30 guys. They are fast enough to pace him through workouts. It might. be nice to have a 13:00 guy to chase but for a lot of people that leads to overtraining.
This was a solid run. It isn't the big break through of running like a 13:05 that we would love to see but it is enough to say that he is in pretty good shape right now and recovered from 2019's injuries. Time to start building up for the peak in 6 months.
Hunter for the Win wrote:
Not...Running...Fast? How many Americans have run as fast at his age? Look that one up and then rethink how you define words.
Eric mf Jenkins
shootpost2 wrote:
Sdsu Azutec wrote:
There are countless runners that didn't train with people anywhere near their level. Just about any HS 9:00 runner has no one to push them in workouts. German Fernandez was the only guy that could break 10:00 on his HS team.
The problem with you SDSU Aztec is twice now you have compared high school running to pro running in defense of drew.
The pros aren't highschool.
In high school you are trying to improve from 60 to 80 % of your potential or there about.
As a pro you are trying to go from 99 to 99.999% your potential.
Thats where the small things like your workout group and specific workouts begin to make a huge difference.
Jim Ryun, Marty Liquori, Steve Scott and Craig Virgin didn't train with anyone capable of pushing them. Most of the time they were probably the only person on the track. Most of the time Rupp hasn't had anyone to push him either.
Letsrun has improved since I've been posting on the forum as insults have become less frequent, but since you insulted me I'll respond by saying it's clear you never competed in HS or College.
what a loser wrote:
Sdsu Azutec wrote:
What bad workouts is Hunter running and what should he be doing instead? Didn't he do similar training in HS? It's possible that he has already physically matured.
All of his training is bad and poorly programmed. One example that sticks out -
5x1200 starting at 5 min pace and ending near 4:10 pace with 400 jog recovery. Only 2 of the reps were hard. Right after the 1200s he did 4x200 in 29 for his speed training.
Worst workout I've ever seen. No wonder he's not running fast and he can't kick.
So you pick one workout out of context during his pre-season training, which really wasn't that bad and most likely just a tuneup workout, and think that is evidence that his training sucks?
The reality is, he's coming off an injury and building towards the Oly trials. Teare and Grijalva are most likely overtraining for December because they're young and are chomping at the bit to run fast. I'm not a Hunter fanboy whatsoever but it seems like he's doing the right thing by not overdoing it in December.
dunes runner wrote:
Joshua Cheptegei --->12:35 world record ---> 59.64 last lap ---> no one close to him.
Not sure if this is a troll or not but that's basically incomparable. Dude was toeing such a fine line for 11.5 laps that 59.64 was definitely all he had to give in the final 400. If Hunter's 59 in a 13:17 is all he had to give at the end then that indicates he was at his ceiling last night. Doesn't mean he couldn't run faster in the future, though. Like people have been saying, we're not sure what kind of shape Hunter was in last night. Despite everyone's comments, I'm sure Hunter can run faster. But dude definitely should give his kick some attention though.
If I were a pro runner I would block letsrun from my computer. This thread would be mental cancer for someone like Hunter to read right now. Probably for Grijalva too.
I agree, I certainly wouldn't advise Hunter to read any of my comments...
Juice Springsteen wrote:
He’s like 22 and ran 13:16. Calling him overrated is absurd
Men peak at age 23 statistically (at least with regards to avg. PR age of top 50 men in 5k history). So it is unlikely he will ever break 13 at this point.
That being said it is December and he has been injured for a while so maybe there is more there. I still think he should focus on the 1500 meters.
What is this magic formula that indicates how fast somebody could run based on their last 400 of a race?