Who’s America’s next 3:30 guy? Do we even know his name?

Drew still has plenty of time to do it.

Hunter and Fisher will both run 3:29 before careers are over.

Former 3:30 guy for 1200m wrote:

Hunter ran 3:35.x 2 years ago at 19 which is great, but I don’t think he’s our 3:30 man.

3:35.9 2 years ago at 20* my b

[quote]Former 3:30 guy for 1200m wrote:

Instead, I’ll play it safe and say that America’s next 3:30.x runner is not yet 18 years old, and we haven’t heard of him (except maybe regionally, and you wouldn’t know it)./quote]

Leo Daschbach your most recent high school sub-4 miler with 3:59.54, during that race he passed the 1500m mark around 3:45

If he finds a perfect coach and environment we could see some times from him as he grows older.

Brazier and Hoppel. They’ve got the wheels but the time is now.

Brazier will run 3:30 with his current training. He’s only 23.

Yeah brazier is a 3:30 guy right now.

The best way to train to be an elite 1500m man is to train as a low mileage 800m lad through at least age 17. Find a 48 or 49 400m lad with 1:48 or 1:49 800m before his 18th birthday, a lad who is willing to participate in youth cross-country. He will be your next 3:30 man.

People here were saying he could break El G's record at the start of the season....he was jogging dudes!

Probably your best bet is for one of the many British talents at college in the USA switching allegiance. Competition for places is getting so intense for GB at 1500m, you might find one or two applying for US citizenship for an easier route to the Olympics.

Coevett wrote:

Probably your best bet is for one of the many British talents at college in the USA switching allegiance. Competition for places is getting so intense for GB at 1500m, you might find one or two applying for US citizenship for an easier route to the Olympics.

Hahaha I needed a good laugh. Thanks for that.

Guess where the top U.S.performer at 1500 ranks globally outdoors in 2020...you got it, 28th. There are 5 guys from G.B. and 4 from Australia ahead of that.

Future immigrant who becomes a citizen

Rheinhardt Harrison from Nease highschool in Florida would be one of those “under-18” guys. He went 4:01 in the full mile as a 16 year old back in August. He’s won every race he’s been in during the xc season, just running the second fastest time ever on the Florida state meet course today at AAU Nationals. I should know, I was 43 seconds behind him.

These are my best picks.

#1 - Yared Nuguse. You discussed him, but I don't think he's as far off from 3:30 as it might seem. Yes, his official PBs are 3:38 and 3:55, but he ran that 3:55 solo, and that 3:38 was almost 2 years ago. He crushed ACCs in XC this year, his speed isn't bad (1:48 the same season as the 3:38) and I would guess he'll take a swing at the collegiate 1500 record this outdoor. Remember, a lot of the guys that ran in the 3:35-3:37 range during the regular season went out and ran 3:30-3:34 in the summer afterwards. I think he breaks the collegiate record during the next regular season in 3:33-3:34, then within the next two years runs 3:30 at a big DL race (probably Monaco).

#2 - Donovan Brazier. He ran a pretty casual solo 3:35 this summer off of "pure 800" training. All it takes is a single attempt at a fast DL race and I think he runs 3:30. He doesn't need to focus on it, he's a 1:42 guy (with probably faster in the tank). Even Symmonds could run 3:34 and he was not nearly as talented at the 800.

#3 - Cole Hocker. Pretty recent suspect, but I remember back in 2018 him splitting 4:05 as a junior on the NBON DMR and running down our 1600m anchor and thinking "dang that guy looked relaxed". Fast forward to now and he's run 3:58 as a true freshman and just ran 7:45 and nearly beat an Olympic gold medalist, and he's still 19!!! A lot of people are looking at him as a Rupp-level talent, but what most people don't realize is that this kid ran 1:50 in high school. This kid is not only good, he's got speed. Ben Thomas is exactly the coach he needs to develop him in all aspects, and I think he's the best young prospect out there. I think if he doesn't turn pro early he could also be looking at 3:30-3:33 by the time he leaves Oregon, and if he does it will come even sooner.

Jwilliams.18 wrote:

Rheinhardt Harrison from Nease highschool in Florida would be one of those “under-18” guys. He went 4:01 in the full mile as a 16 year old back in August. He’s won every race he’s been in during the xc season, just running the second fastest time ever on the Florida state meet course today at AAU Nationals. I should know, I was 43 seconds behind him.

If R. Harrison is your teammate & friend or if you know him, tell him to focus on being a sub-1:50 800m man. These are not the 1960s. Sub-4 mile will not get one an invite on Tonight Show. During Olympics held in 1960s, a sub-4 miler had at least a coin flip chance of making 1500m final. Good to great 1500m guys in their twenties were most often 800m guys who also race 1500m as teenagers.

Nuguse & Hocker lack sufficient 800m speed. Brazier is Ivo van Damme 1.1. Please note that both John Walker and Ivo van Damme sprinted final 300m of 1976 1500m final, sub-38. Brazier could earn an Olympic 1500m medal if Brazier were to qualify for 1500m final AND 1500m final were passed 3:01 plus, 1200m. Stating Brazier a likely 3:30 man is to state van Damme would have been a 3:30 1500m man.

my bet would be on a ... wrote: Stating Brazier a likely 3:30 man is to state van Damme would have been a 3:30 1500m man.

What? Why do I have to accept your crackpot notion that Brazier is Ivo Van Damme reincarnate? Did Van Damme ever run 1:42.34? (No, 1:43.86). Van Damme could probably have run 3:33.0ish in summer of ‘76. That has nothing to do with what Brazier could run, even if it is in the same ballpark.

With all respect, what Van Damme was best at was looking like he was 40 when he was only 22.

-Engels will go 3:30 once he gets the strength necessary; I suspect he and Brazier will both do it in the next three years. Symmonds ran 1:42, and hit 3:34 as a max, no?

-Wild Carr: Waleed Sulaiman...REASONING:

There was a thread a while back asking which HSers went sub-1:50/sub-9:00. Take it a step further. How many NCAA XC All-Americans have run 1:47 or better? That’s rare.