Madness at Japanese nationals in 10,000. 3 men led by a 27:18 and 1 woman (30:20) break NRS

These are massive drops in national records for Japan.. any insights into why, how and why now? Have the Japanese finally been implementing more Western training methods and/or is it simply Nike footwear technology finally being worn by Japanese elites other than Mizuno and Asics?

Standard Setter wrote:

These are massive drops in national records for Japan.. any insights into why, how and why now? Have the Japanese finally been implementing more Western training methods and/or is it simply Nike footwear technology finally being worn by Japanese elites other than Mizuno and Asics?

No idea on training methods, but basically all japanese athletes wear Nike shoes now, even those with corporate teams or universities sponsored by other companies. So Vaporflys at ekidens and a lot of dragonflys on the track today, I kind of wonder if their teams were just very keen to buy stocks whenever available or Nike just took the opportunity to take over the japanese pro running scene and provided them for free.

reggojybboh wrote:

Standard Setter wrote:

These are massive drops in national records for Japan.. any insights into why, how and why now? Have the Japanese finally been implementing more Western training methods and/or is it simply Nike footwear technology finally being worn by Japanese elites other than Mizuno and Asics?

No idea on training methods, but basically all japanese athletes wear Nike shoes now, even those with corporate teams or universities sponsored by other companies. So Vaporflys at ekidens and a lot of dragonflys on the track today, I kind of wonder if their teams were just very keen to buy stocks whenever available or Nike just took the opportunity to take over the japanese pro running scene and provided them for free.

It appears the Vaporfly and Dragonfly are to racing what the Speedo's full-body LZR suit was to swimming. However, Nike is so powerful that it avoided a ban on the technology (Alphafly is out), and now track fans and road racing fans will have to endure records being set, so that once again the sport loses focus and the average fan becomes bored. Why bother to eliminate PEDs?

Standard Setter wrote:

These are massive drops in national records for Japan.. any insights into why, how and why now? Have the Japanese finally been implementing more Western training methods and/or is it simply Nike footwear technology finally being worn by Japanese elites other than Mizuno and Asics?

The answer is neither. There has just been a shift in Japanese focus, now instead of exclusively being focused on the roads they are paying attention to the track.

You love to see it... I always thought that the sheer number of sub 65/2:10 guys in Japan was insane and that surely some would be better off focusing on the 5/10. Sub13/27 on the way soon

10.000m A 1 Akira Aizawa 27:18.75 NR; 2 Bernard Koech (ken) 27:19.42; 3 Tatsuhiko Ito 27:25.73; 4 Kazuki Tamura 27:28.92; 5 Daiji Kawai 27:34.86; 6 Tetsuya Yoroizaka 27:36.29; 7 Suguru Osako 27:36.93; 8 Yuki Sato 27:41.84; 9 Cleophas Kandie (ken) 27:43.51; 10 Ren Tazawa 27:46.09; 11 Kenta Murayama 27:50.09; 12 Tatsuya Maruyama 27:52.27; 13 keijiro Mogi 27:57.36; 14 Tatsuya Oike 27:58.40; 15 Yohei Ikeda 27:58.52; 16 Yuto Aoki 27:58.63; 17 Hiroto Inoue 27:59.40; 18 Yusuke Ogura 28:03.33; 19 Minato Oishi 28:04.56; 20 Yuhei Urano 28:05.37; 21 Seiya Amano 28:08.94; 22 Jun Nobuto 28:09.50; 23 Kota Murayama 28:16.27; 24 Atsuya Imai 28:17.38; 25 Yuki Suzuki 28:18.10; 26 Kengo Suzuki 28:18.48; 27 Hiroto Fujimagari 28:19.83; 28 Takato Suzuki 28:24.62; 29 Yohei Suzuki 28:32.00; 30 Kazuya Nishiyama 28:54.30; 31 Yuta S. 29:03.50

10.000m B 1 Takashi Ichida 27:52.35; 2 Yuhi Nakaya 27:54.06; 3 Noki Ota 27:55.59; 4 Shuho Dairokuno 28:01.29; 5 Kiseki Shiozawa 28:08.83; 6 Benuel Mogeni (ken) (2001) 28:11.94; 7 Naoki Aiba 28:12.63; 8 Hiroki Suzuki 28:15.57; 9 Mizuki HIgashi 28:15.57; 10 Shohei Kurata 28:17.60; 11 Kento Kikutani 28:19.54; 12 Hirohito Yokoi 28:25.58; 13 Yusuke Tamura 28:25.74; 14 Takahiro Nakamura 28:28.01; 15 Chihiro Miyawaki 28:38.48; 16 Takato Imai 28:45.69; 17 Masatoshi Sakata 28:58.92; 18 Shun Yuzawa 28:59.92

Insane depth in those two races with 15 Japanese under 28 minutes in the first race. By the way, what happened to Yuta S. Who only manage 2903 in the first race. By the way I had to delete his family name because the computer interprets his family name as “profanity” and so will not accept this message which seems crazy but that is the way it is.

Bernard Koech has the same body shape and running style as former tanzania and great John Yuda.

Not sure you could get this kind of depth in any other country in the world except Kenya and Ethiopia, and even there they would be pushed to show these kind of numbers on the same day.

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Looking at the video I think Yuda S. was well placed in the early laps around ninth I think he was the runner in the white shorts and white top with the black arm warmers. Please correct if wrong on that

Yuta S. not Yuda S. ....typo

Yuta S.

1500 Metres 3:48.29 Liège (BEL) 15 JUL 2015 998

5000 Metres 13:34.68 Hiroshima (JPN) 18 APR 2015 1086

10,000 Metres 27:41.97 Hosei University Stadium, Machida (JPN) 25 NOV 2017 1160

10 Kilometres 28:56 Praha (CZE) 09 SEP 2017 1056

10 Miles Road 45:58 Kosa (JPN) 03 DEC 2017 1150

Half Marathon 1:00:17 Ústí nad Labem (CZE) 16 SEP 2017 1181

30 Kilometres 1:29:47 Kumamoto (JPN) 16 FEB 2020 1151

Marathon 2:06:11 Tokyo (JPN) 25 FEB 2018 1231

Sorry once again I cannot print his family name because the computer interprets his family name as a profanity and then I cannot post this message

Were most of the runners wearing those vapor flies flats? Looks like it but it’s difficult to be certain from the video.

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Looking at the video I think Yuda S. was well placed in the early laps around ninth I think he was the runner in the white shorts and white top with the black arm warmers. Please correct if wrong on that

He got lapped. Also quite usual for him to have very bad track races occasionally. Probably 27:30 pace for the first couple of laps just was too fast for him today

great races wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

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Looking at the video I think Yuda S. was well placed in the early laps around ninth I think he was the runner in the white shorts and white top with the black arm warmers. Please correct if wrong on that

He got lapped. Also quite usual for him to have very bad track races occasionally. Probably 27:30 pace for the first couple of laps just was too fast for him today

Misread your post, sorry. Yuta is the guy with the white top at the back of the group right from the beginning, probably the arm warmers guy you mean is his team mate Tatsuhiko Ito who placed 2nd in the end

Great to see. After his performance at Hakone it seemed like Aizawa was bound to put up some impressive times once he was in the right race. It will be interesting to see if he'll be the first in Japan to go under 60 in the half

great races wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

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Looking at the video I think Yuda S. was well placed in the early laps around ninth I think he was the runner in the white shorts and white top with the black arm warmers. Please correct if wrong on that

He got lapped. Also quite usual for him to have very bad track races occasionally. Probably 27:30 pace for the first couple of laps just was too fast for him today

I re watched the video and saw him close to the back of the field in the first few laps so I don’t think he ever really got into the race. He ran his best 10,000 m a few years ago I think in 2017 so not sure what the situation is now for him on the track.

Can someone confirm many/ or most of the runners wore racing flats?

Whoa, this is quite shocking!