Dumb Teammate

All running is base, every day of the year.. Mind your business. You've got a lot to learn from your mistakes.

A tale as old as time. Don’t worry about that guy, focus on your own running and do your best.

Some people do well with that training. Most likely he will be a top 800 runner this year.

Why does he need to build endurance?

Sounds like the days off are excessive, and he should be running at least 2 days of 3-5 miles at a moderate pace.

You don't say how many 200s are in the workout, or what pace, or how much rest.

Does he do weights?

Is he a 400m/800m type runner, and is over-trained from CC?

Lydiard (or Bowerman and Dellinger at Oregon) are part of the reason for the distance build-up being seen as critical.

Lydiard did not know how to cultivate speed, so he assumed 200m was innate and could not be altered enough by training to make a difference against other athletes with more speed, who would also be expected to improve with training.

This assumption is how he came up with his system: build sufficient stamina to sustain speed over a longer distance.

If you can run 23 seconds for a 200m, he would seek very big build-up, under the assumption you would end up running 49 for 400m (maybe 48), so that you could run a fast 800m and fast 1600m.

I don't agree with his methods, and don't agree with his assumptions.

Learn to run fast, especially while young.

Do you know what I would do? Dump him. He's no friend of yours anymore.

https://youtu.be/VNzHwWd-cSI

Sham 69 wrote:

Do you know what I would do?

Uhm, the OP was dumped. Then took to a public message board to air out his private drama.

With speed comes strength.

"we need him this year for our relays"

sounds good, you've got yourself a 400 leg and probably an 800 leg too

4x4? 4x8? His training will better prepare him than your base training.

malmo wrote:

All running is base, every day of the year.. Mind your business. You've got a lot to learn from your mistakes.

Every once in a while I remember why I still come to these boards. Love it Malmo

All your base are belong to us. You have no chance to survive. Make your time. Ha Ha Ha Ha

https://youtu.be/jQE66WA2s-A

I checked his garmin and he does about 8 200's with 3-4 minutes rest at faster than his 800 pace. He also does not do weights and he isn't overtrained from XC, he ran 16:59 at the last meet of the season which was a PR for him. I'm just confused why he would do this training because off of XC training this year he ran 4:46 in the mile. Off of this training last year he ran 4:55 and wondered why he didn't get much better.

Fair concern.

What is his 800m pace? If he is projecting 2:08, then he is running the 200s faster than 32, and that is pretty good.

If he is projecting 2:16, then the workouts would seem slow to me.

Once the 200s are below 30, then that is really beneficial.

As to your teammate not doing as much distance, maybe he really doesn't want to be a miler. We had a couple of fast 400/800 guys, and they did some running during CC, but didn't race. The longest distance that they ran fast was a 1200m TT in April, and that was 3:18 for both (I ran 3:08).

True, the next year I and one 400/800 guy graduated, and one of the 400/800 was a senior. He did run on the CC team (why? I am not sure) and ran 15:40 for 3 miles, which is too slow to be competitive in that state championship meet. However, when track season came around, he only ran the 400/800.

I still say your teammate should be doing more distance runs on days without intervals, but don't agree with the base period concept as much as many runners do.

He will probably be a sub 2 guy this year. He is doing normal 800 training for this time of year. You are too brainwashed by distance training to know what others do.

I would say that his 800 pace is in the low 2:1x. He is fine with shorter distances but right now anything over 800 his endurance is what kills him. Also, last year he was trying to train with both our high school team and his indoor team. This lead him to be doing 5-6 hard anaerobic workouts a week which ended up injuring him. I'm not trying to seem like I know it all I just want this to be a good season because we didn't have one last year.

This guy runs 2:10 and you are worrying about him on your relays? We have 15 guys who run under 2:10 on our team. Stop worrying. You sound sillly.

Teammate of yours wrote:

This guy runs 2:10 and you are worrying about him on your relays? We have 15 guys who run under 2:10 on our team. Stop worrying. You sound sillly.

All teams are different. And this is the shape he is in currently after taking 2 weeks off he is not in peak condition right now.

You sound petty worrying about somebody who is ridiculously slow. Why do you care? You sound like a nosey neighbor. He will probably make big gains if he is doing some real training. Anybody that slow will improve from any quality training at all.

Your stupid and your friend is probably faster