2021 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion

WinnytheBish wrote:

stillwhiteguytears wrote:

https://utsports.com/news/2021/7/30/track-field-xc-alford-sullivan-adds-vfl-austin-whitelaw-to-staff.aspx

Nothing like justifying a $75k power 5 hire with zero coaching experience because they are an alum.

It's only fair that we acknowledge this BS hire.

I want to expound. This position isn't anything amazing, but his job before this was as an academic advisor at another school. All the power to him, I'm just jealous.

WinnytheBish wrote:

stillwhiteguytears wrote:

https://utsports.com/news/2021/7/30/track-field-xc-alford-sullivan-adds-vfl-austin-whitelaw-to-staff.aspx

Nothing like justifying a $75k power 5 hire with zero coaching experience because they are an alum.

It's only fair that we acknowledge this BS hire.

Amen, what a joke. This profession is becoming a joke.

When are you youngins going to figure out it is who you know that lands you jobs. Period! If you are not connected - likely have zero chance. Start networking and kissing butt.

Who you know and who knows you. I got it

Oldcoacher wrote:

When are you youngins going to figure out it is who you know that lands you jobs. Period! If you are not connected - likely have zero chance. Start networking and kissing butt.

Yea, that will keep the sport heading in the right direction, a bunch of suck ups who can't coach a lick ruining athletes for years to come. It is getting worse each year, used to be coaches were hired on merit, not anymore.

The club system will win out over these suck ups, might take 10-20 years but the collegiate system will fall apart.

whos this registerred Texas HS Coach, Schrader?

WinnytheBish wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

It's only fair that we acknowledge this BS hire.

I want to expound. This position isn't anything amazing, but his job before this was as an academic advisor at another school. All the power to him, I'm just jealous.

Ok now this is the BS I want to bring up. Yes, now this here, This right chea… this is that big time horseshyte.

Look, but are you all surprised? This lady is about to get the Ax. I could easily name 15 mid major coaches that can out coach anyone at Tenn and whose teams will destroy them. But here’s another truth, a damn good coach doesn't want this position. He wont have a say in any of the training of these teams. His only job is to recruit and hopefully these runners are getting hip to the fact that you do not improve at UT.

drkhor wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

I want to expound. This position isn't anything amazing, but his job before this was as an academic advisor at another school. All the power to him, I'm just jealous.

Ok now this is the BS I want to bring up. Yes, now this here, This right chea… this is that big time horseshyte.

Look, but are you all surprised? This lady is about to get the Ax. I could easily name 15 mid major coaches that can out coach anyone at Tenn and whose teams will destroy them. But here’s another truth, a damn good coach doesn't want this position. He wont have a say in any of the training of these teams. His only job is to recruit and hopefully these runners are getting hip to the fact that you do not improve at UT.

Ok, but if a damn good coach wont take the job then it's not a good job and thus not a BS hire....right?!?! I

give me a break? wrote:

Oldcoacher wrote:

When are you youngins going to figure out it is who you know that lands you jobs. Period! If you are not connected - likely have zero chance. Start networking and kissing butt.

Yea, that will keep the sport heading in the right direction, a bunch of suck ups who can't coach a lick ruining athletes for years to come. It is getting worse each year, used to be coaches were hired on merit, not anymore.

The club system will win out over these suck ups, might take 10-20 years but the collegiate system will fall apart.

The moment I graduated decades ago I realized the only thing that mattered was who you know. Something tells me people figured this out sometime between inventing fire and the wheel. Never going to change. If and when NCAA track/XC fall apart, the club system will work the same way. Because everything works the same way. So I puckered up, grabbed the lube and been gargling balls ever since…and it’s paid off handsomely. If you can’t beat’em (which you won’t)…join’em. And guess what, Beth will get another very good job immediately because she’s a successful well-respected director by the people pulling the strings who’s had success everywhere…just not up to an SEC standard at Tennessee apparently. Hopefully more of you will have accepted how this works by the time Sarah Pease jumps from head coach/director at Ohio into a well-paying P5 assistant position in a few years after managing the impossible dumpster fire she’s inherited. But something tells me this thread won’t have lmao.

+1

This post wins the thread and the entire internet. Folks on here acting like being great at networking and coaching are mutually exclusive. It's a PEOPLE connection business and the people who are both driven and socially and emotionally effective are the high achievers in this business. You can be a genius on training, periodization etc., but if you cannot connect with recruits and those who make staffing decisions, it doesn't matter. Social and emotional intelligence are equally, if not far more relevant to occupational success in EVERY job. Don't like it? Cool, but don't complain when people who get it succeed when you do not. That's the way life happens. If you want to win the game, you need to know the rules. Took me decades to figure that one out.

I’m gonna keep it short for you guys because I struggled with understanding this too. Connections help you get the job. You can get connections a few ways. 1. Having had a decent running career, 2. Knowing some great runners/coaches, or 3 and most popular is not having 1 or 2 and just going around kissing lots of arse.

The connection whatever is it, helps you GET the position. Depending on the position, your ability to coach helps you keep the job and/or get a higher position. Some cases that doesn’t matter if you’re a certain gender or the program cares less about performance.

You have to be able to hustle as a recruiter, get them on campus and have a personality make them laugh be a real person you’ll land most of them unless the school just isn’t the right fit.

I’ve lost out on many positions to less deserving ppl but you don’t have the player you hate the game. But, in the long run seeing your programs success and their top runner being as good as your 5th, that stuff make those past Ls not feel so bad.

Some FT assistant positions from the last day or so:

https://web2.ustfccca.org/full-time-assistant-coach-throws-or-sprints-hurdles-grace-college/

https://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/15187183/assistant-coach-track-field

https://web2.ustfccca.org/assistant-track-coach-jumps-and-multi-events-wittenberg-university/

Track Town Slumlord 2 wrote:

John Frazier from UCLA is the new Head Coach at Texas State.

I haven’t seen or heard anything indicating this outside of LetsRun. Can anyone verify with a source?

Throws Jobs Updates:

LSU: Clayton

KSU: Watson

UN: St Clare

Texas State: Frazier

UCLA Ninow

ISU: Omara

UNLV: Scott

FU: Werskey

UI: Robinson

NDSU: Pflaumbaum

Duke: Angelo

Army: Hershberger

Purdue: Page

UPenn: Tholis

Michigan State: James

UNI: Foote

Florida State: Ott

Michigan: Cartwright

Charlotte?

Idaho?

Grand Canyon?

Tiffin: Yoman

Slippery rock?

Milwaukee?

Saginaw?

Iowa central?

New Orleans?

Montana ?

SLU?

UTRGV?

BU?

UW?

Ha. No, but I do know him.

Does it really matter?

Ok gargle balls, got it.

You heard it here first- Alan Webb stepping down as distance coach at Arkansas-Little Rock. A junior college coach to be named as yhis replacement.

Where’s he heading?