Heart beats per km as training strategy

jiggymeister wrote:

Is there a Garmin Connect IQ field for this metric?

No, and I don't plan to connect the app soon.

There is a Garmin app which tracks bpkm, but I have no idea what it does.

Well. Now I will write Down your pulse price: 1) The pulse price will decrease from easy pace to the anaerobic threshold, and even more so after the anaerobic threshold further. I would even say-especially further, because anaerobic processes of energy supply are included, where oxygen is not needed.

2) The pulse price at a slow pace is higher due to parasitic heartbeats, as well as the method of energy supply: at low speeds - mainly fat metabolism, where the oxygen warming should be significantly greater (per energy reaction);

at speeds close to the threshold of anaerobic metabolism - mainly carbohydrate, where oxygen consumption is not so high

3) the more effective the running technique, the pulse cost at low speeds will approach the pulse cost at high speeds

4) the pulse cost should be compared at the same pace and gradient during different training sessions to track progress (the value should fall as you progress).

I use pulse price daily for easy runs only, in order to check progress.

Below I provide some table, where you can find heart rate vs pace = pulse price and prognosis for different race distance.

How to use: find at easy pace your heart rate and move by diagonal to the right until you reach your usually desired race avg pulse and you will find predicted race time.

You should build your own on same terrain with different paces.

By the way, Polar counts all the heartbeats during training. And so when calculating the Pulse price, there is no need to recalculate it from the average pulse - you just need to divide the number of strokes by the distance. And if you turn on the automatic cut-off mode after 1 kilometer, you can simply see in PPT5 how the Pulce price changed during training

https://c.radikal.ru/c26/2011/76/1f667314d21c.jpg

George Ilie wrote:

jiggymeister wrote:

Is there a Garmin Connect IQ field for this metric?

No, and I don't plan to connect the app soon.

There is a Garmin app which tracks bpkm, but I have no idea what it does.

Pulsr price is= (avg pace) x (avg heart rate), example:

Avg pace=04:27min/km, avg heart rate=131 beats per minute, so pulse price= 4.45*131=583 (my?)

Or from Garmin app:

Pulse price per workout=bpkm/total km

You're thinking too much. just mfing run, mfer!

Canefis wrote:

George Ilie wrote:

No, and I don't plan to connect the app soon.

There is a Garmin app which tracks bpkm, but I have no idea what it does.

Pulsr price is= (avg pace) x (avg heart rate), example:

Avg pace=04:27min/km, avg heart rate=131 beats per minute, so pulse price= 4.45*131=583 (my?)

Or from Garmin app:

Pulse price per workout=bpkm/total km

What are your Personal best times and corresponding pulse price?

1k-3k-5k-10k-10m-HM-FM?

Brett wrote:

Canefis wrote:

Pulsr price is= (avg pace) x (avg heart rate), example:

Avg pace=04:27min/km, avg heart rate=131 beats per minute, so pulse price= 4.45*131=583 (my?)

Or from Garmin app:

Pulse price per workout=bpkm/total km

What are your Personal best times and corresponding pulse price?

1k-3k-5k-10k-10m-HM-FM?

I cannot tell you, as I just started to run 1 year ago, than worked at sea, than Covid, I do not have any PB's yet. I have some paces where I know my pulse prices:

04:27 - 583--600 (1h-2h duration)

03:30 - 556--574 (1h-2h duration)

03:07 - 500 (2-5 min duration) - it is not informative, as duration is too short

02:52 - 430--440 (1min duration) - it is not informative, as duration is too short

Canefis wrote:

Brett wrote:

What are your Personal best times and corresponding pulse price?

1k-3k-5k-10k-10m-HM-FM?

I cannot tell you, as I just started to run 1 year ago, than worked at sea, than Covid, I do not have any PB's yet. I have some paces where I know my pulse prices:

04:27 - 583--600 (1h-2h duration)

03:30 - 556--574 (1h-2h duration)

03:07 - 500 (2-5 min duration) - it is not informative, as duration is too short

02:52 - 430--440 (1min duration) - it is not informative, as duration is too short

Thank you

So which on is true? Is any of those versions true?

tt7jj wrote:

Canefis wrote:

I cannot tell you, as I just started to run 1 year ago, than worked at sea, than Covid, I do not have any PB's yet. I have some paces where I know my pulse prices:

04:27 - 583--600 (1h-2h duration)

03:30 - 556--574 (1h-2h duration)

03:07 - 500 (2-5 min duration) - it is not informative, as duration is too short

02:52 - 430--440 (1min duration) - it is not informative, as duration is too short

Canefis wrote:

I used Lydiard system 3 years & 8 months for your information, before to introduce any workout in my training, LOL ))

So which on is true? Is any of those versions true?

Both:

3 years cycling (used Lydiard system)

1 year running (8months Lidyard system+ 4months DANCAN system).

Very interesting watch you, when you have lack of information, whats up Man? Troll activado??... paranoya?

Canefis wrote:

tt7jj wrote:

So which on is true? Is any of those versions true?

Both:

3 years cycling (used Lydiard system)

1 year running (8months Lidyard system+ 4months DANCAN system).

Very interesting watch you, when you have lack of information, whats up Man? Troll activado??... paranoya?

I was under the impression that you used Joe Friel training for cycling

Canefis wrote:

Below I provide some table, where you can find heart rate vs pace = pulse price and prognosis for different race distance.

https://c.radikal.ru/c26/2011/76/1f667314d21c.jpg

A question first: where did you find the term "pulse price"? Maybe I find more on the topic.

A remark on that table: the race times are not right. I mean for 10k maybe is correct, but you can't keep the same pace for HM and marathon.

As for heart beats per kilometer to take in consideration the aerobic vs anaerobic, because the oxygen is not needed, as you said, I doubt that it is reliable.

Even if you are on the anaerobic heart rate, your body still uses aerobic functions and that's why the heart rate is still up.

The anaerobic source of energy comes in when the aerobic source is not enough to support the effort.

1) Ski sport.

2) you run easy, mp, tempo, 5k, 3k, 1k and you will see that pulse price is dropping as pace increased.

From easy pace to Marathon pace I have +-50 points drop, example.

For more advanced and economical runners, this difference will decrease. To track your progress, just select one or two control paces (easy/mp; moderate/mp; moderate/hm or else) that you use in everyday training and use it to count your pulse price

3) pulse price is just another tool of control

George Ilie wrote:

Canefis wrote:

Below I provide some table, where you can find heart rate vs pace = pulse price and prognosis for different race distance.

https://c.radikal.ru/c26/2011/76/1f667314d21c.jpg

A remark on that table: the race times are not right.

You use it incorrectly. Below my table, which I created in Excel, just for better understanding.

From printscreen:

Easy: pace=4.45, pulse price=605, pulse=136

HM: pace=3.24, pulse price=544, pulse=168, expected time=68.3 min

M: pace=3.43, pulse price=555, pulse=162, expected time=144.7 min.

If you calculate HM=68.3*2+8min=M time (most common formula) it is also will correlate with calculated M=144.7

By Daniels, ideally peak potential:

HM(168pulse) approaching to HM(178pulse)-90%vo2max

M(162pulse) approaching to M(168pulse)-85%vo2max, aka lifting threshold (proper training of course?).

Remarks: I don't know yet where is M & HM pulse, but M for sure less than 85% of vo2max somewhere there (80-85%vo2max).

So that's why better to have expected time as a room with 2 values.

My table is for 0% gradient.

For any gradient can use:

(by oxygen consumption theory)

George Ilie wrote:

jiggymeister wrote:

Is there a Garmin Connect IQ field for this metric?

There is an app. "HR Cost", but only few device is supported... sent message to developer regarding my 935 ?

Cheers.