Of course they are limited. Why would you think otherwise? The poster was talking about speed limits and helmets which are not rights.
Of course they are limited. Why would you think otherwise? The poster was talking about speed limits and helmets which are not rights.
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
Yeah, who cares how many people you end up killing. It's your god given right. It doesn't matter how many people die as long as it is not you. Other people have the freedom to stay in their bunkers and avoid contact with freedom fighters like you.
How many people have you killed just because you had the flu and didn't stay home?
You might be surprised...
No Covid for me wrote:
Primo Numero Uno wrote:[quote]You mean all those European countries like UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, etc. that are now in new rounds of lockdowns.
No. Not those countries.
You lose.
Again.
Nah. He is right and you are wrong.
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
Not a crybaby wrote:
Those are not freedoms. You need to go back to high school civics to learn what rights were given to you by God. We are free to assemble.
Your First Amendment rights are not unlimited. For example, you cannot shout "fire" in a crowded theater without facing consequences. But maybe your missed that part in your high school civic class.
By shouting "fire" in a crowded theater you would be inducing panic.
By living your normal life without a mask and without lockdowns you would be... what? Living your normal life.
You guys live in fear. Sad.
oswaldo mobray wrote:
otter wrote:
Yep, I flew down to see my kid in college because he was not allowed to leave for the holiday. Had Thanksgiving with my family. I flew back, got tested, and I am negative. The airport was empty when I flew out on Wednesday. The plane only had 40 people on it both ways. I think I was more in danger if I stayed home and did my normal routine in the area where I live.
Don’t bury my revelatory insights beneath your sociopathic selfish rationalizations you twisted reprobate.
Sorry my travel had no effect whatsoever on your revelation.
mask off wrote:
What pandemic?
The one on tv, the internet, the newpapers.
People who travel and ignore the recommendations don’t scare me. I feel the same way as I do for the mentally challenged. I feel sorry for them. I know that they aren’t as intelligent and will not have as fulfilling life as the rest of us.
The good news is that they won’t even know it.
You will know exactly what I’m talking about when you read their responses.
marathon project wrote:
I know that they aren’t as intelligent and will not have as fulfilling life as the rest of us.
+1
Face diapers and lockdowns make for a fulfilling life!
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
Yeah, who cares how many people you end up killing. It's your god given right. It doesn't matter how many people die as long as it is not you. Other people have the freedom to stay in their bunkers and avoid contact with freedom fighters like you.
Actually in most cases murder is a right conferred by a minority group of like minded individuals who are in a position to impose their will on a majority group to its collective detriment.
If we look at history murder has always been justified for reasons with which the public can generally agree. For instance, the present military occupation of countries in the Middle East serves as a source of great instability which results in the deaths of many neutral and non-combatant individuals alike. While this is a sad development its impact is undermined by official declarations of a moral character which emphasize the the false values such as liberty and whatnot allegedly being pursued by the occupying force.
While these decelerations do smother moral ambivalence in a large section of populous, the vast majority recognize them for what they are, puffed up rhetoric. Since the truth of occupation is to subjugate and exploit on a systematic level the inhabitants of an occupied country, those who are woke have habituated to treat these decelerations as monumental expressions of hypocrisy.
So In essence, ones right to murder is measured by his willingness to embrace hypocrisy and indulge the dissembling rhetoric of those who govern. By claiming that not wearing a mask is supported by liberty is an enunciation of what is likely a false principle, and more realistically a pretext To not wear a mask for selfish reasons. This assiduously follows the formula used by those who govern thereby conferring a right to murder to any who adopt this method of rationalizing personal interest.
Driving a motor vehicle is a privilege not a right. Maybe you need to go read the Bill of Rights again?
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
Yeah, who cares how many people you end up killing. It's your god given right. It doesn't matter how many people die as long as it is not you.
You sound sarcastic but this is basically the motto of the USA. This *is* the freedom that the European founding fathers believed in.
Native Americans? Nah kill them, they're not us.
Blacks? Let's kill them.. no wait let's make them slaves.
Its only global pressure from other countries that led to laws stopping some of this stuff. And even then the whole country had a civil war over blacks being given basic human rights.
But the heart of this motto still continues. The bigger picture doesn't matter, society doesn't matter, its all about yourself and your family.
Look at the people making millions from selling guns to the public whilst schoolkids are getting shot.
Look at the millionaires walking over the homeless people in San Francisco on their way to their job.
The Jews even have their own neighbourhoods in New York - huge blocks of flats and high streets - because they're terrified of being screwed over by European Americans.
The only exception to this motto is the "America is the greatest place in the universe" propaganda that would quite frankly make 1930s Germany proud.
No Covid for me wrote:
proud to be a American wrote:You're talking about a country which was founded on the principle of liberty. And, you're talking about a disease which has less than 1% death rate for the who are healthy. I'll take those odds any day of the week.
Which is why the coronavirus is running rampant in the USA as everyone wants to do their own thing. Countries that took a hard L/D back in March are doing well now in controlling the virus.
They are basically back to normal while the US languishes as one of the worst countries in the world due to everyone exercising their own personal liberty and freedoms as they see fit.
Another uber troll? Lol. Rampant. Yup. Ambulances are everywhere, all hospitals so jam packed people are sticking out the windows, there's stadiums filled with the sick, there's bodies piled up everywhere.
Oh wait, 90% of countries took it far less seriously than the US? All of these countries are doing much "better" than the US? Wait, what's going on? OMG.
The smoking analogy is interesting, and where to draw the line between civil liberties violations and the public good is an interesting philosophical and legal question that will never fully be answered. I think reasonable people can disagree on where this line should be drawn.
Here is another smoking analogy for you. According to the CDC, cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year. We could simply ban smoking entirely and potentially save half a million lives EVERY YEAR. Would that be a violation of civil liberties? Probably. But the positive consequences on society and our health care system arguably greatly outweigh the civil liberties violations. And yet, we've collectively decided that people have the right to smoke.
In contrast, we are willing to commit much more drastic civil liberties violations in the name of COVID 19. Locking people in their houses, forcing mass shut-downs of businesses, I would argue, are much more serious civil liberties violations than simply banning smoking. And yet, COVID will likely end up killing somewhere between 500,000 and 800,000 people TOTAL before it fizzles out in the US. That's how many people are killed by cigarette smoking every 1.5-2 years.
Also, I don't know why you feel the need to bring up covid deniers. It's a total straw man argument. Yes, COVID deniers exist, but I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of people who oppose COVID lockdowns/mandates know the diseases exists, know it is deadly, but just feel differently about the government's approach to dealing with it.
Former D1 Runner wrote:
proud to be a American wrote:
You're talking about a disease which has less than 1% death rate for the who are healthy. I'll take those odds any day of the week.
I heard an infectious disease doctor say that if the odds of winning the lottery were that high (1%), he'd play it every day of his life.
Wouldn't that depend on how much you won?
There are plenty of places in the US where you do not have to wear a mask to go outside. There are plenty of places in the US where you do not have to wear a mask to go in stores or restaurants. I also wonder what people mean when they talk about lockdowns which are effectively non-existent in the US for the inability to enforce them. We have heard stories of European lockdowns where people literally could not leave their homes except to get groceries. Ever since Covid began almost nothing has been closed. I can still go run anywhere I want, and I feel no need to wear a mask any time I go out. I know about 10 people that have had Covid and actually had symptoms. All of them are alive and well with no long term side effects. The news never seems to report on those with pre-existing conditions that come out of Covid just fine (the vast majority of people recover from this disease. Even those with pre-existing conditions) Life is only as scary as you make it. Your freedoms and liberties are only taken if you allow them to be.
Americans don't understand that the death rate is irrelevant......they also have no interest in going back to "normal" - at least from judging by their actions. They fly around freely and don't wear masks - unknowingly spreading the virus.
They have also been taught from birth that they live in "the greatest country on the planet." Any American that has traveled abroad (there are not many) is typically educated enough to realize that all of the civics brainwashing is false, and cult-like.
More stats: 73M Americans voted for a game show host for President. Of those 73M, 81% believe he actually won the election. Not joking - really, you can't make this stuff up.
LetMe Explain wrote:
Americans don't understand that the death rate is irrelevant......
^ This sentence embodies everything wrong with the corona fearmongers.
Greatest country on the planet wrote:
I also wonder what people mean when they talk about lockdowns which are effectively non-existent in the US for the inability to enforce them.
Lockdowns are actually rather easy to enforce (unless you're a Democrat governor I guess).
Everytime you walk out the door and get into a car you risk killing someone in an accident, killing someone's pet, and help in destroying the earth with your greenhouse gases. Yet you do it anyway and come on here all hypocritically self righteous and judgemental.
LetMe Explain wrote:
More stats: 73M Americans voted for a game show host for President. Of those 73M, 81% believe he actually won the election. Not joking - really, you can't make this stuff up.
Well considering this was reported by an CNBC poll I actually do believe this was made up. I know numerous people who voted for Trump and know no one who thinks that he won or that there was massive fraud that caused him to lose. If you told me 5-10% of Trump voters believe this, sure that could pass the BS test. But 4 out of 5 is laughable and everyone knows that is not true. This is just part of the media's agenda to paint Trump supporters and Republicans in general as uninformed idiots. Meanwhile, they force Liberal propaganda down the throats of their sheep.