Flashback. Anyone remember when Alan Webb beat Galen Rupp on Thanksgiving 10 years ago - 13:34 to 13:37?

That was the year I set my marathon PR. SF Marathon 3:15 barefoot. I was 38. It was a terrible year otherwise.

I think many of us thought it was a sign that Webb was heading in the right direction with Salazar, but things began to unravel shortly thereafter. That race really got the "Webb is back baby" crowd fired up.

And in Webb's debut 10k, he beat Ritz in a 27:34, too.

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It might blow your mind that just 10 years ago Alan beat Galen in a 5K road race but of course just 3 years prior Alan ran a 3:46 mile. Alan was probably capable of 12:55 with the right coaching and certainly did not need to take a back seat to Galen at 5000m, although Alan was not the same runner in 2010.

I think that the only Turkey Trots that have stature and history are the Manchester Road Race and the Berwick "Marathon" aka Run For The Diamonds.

Not sure of your perception about the so-called B guys. I don't think anyone, regardless of their place in the hierarchy, thinks that their Turkey Trot win is something that matters.

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It might blow your mind that just 10 years ago Alan beat Galen in a 5K road race but of course just 3 years prior Alan ran a 3:46 mile. Alan was probably capable of 12:55 with the right coaching and certainly did not need to take a back seat to Galen at 5000m, although Alan was not the same runner in 2010.

Probably not because he specifically tried training for 5k with Schumacher and couldn't handle the mileage.

rojo wrote:

Today because of Covid cancelling all of the traditional Turkey Trots, I was thinking to myself about past Turkey Trots. My perception of Turkey Trots - and maybe this isn't actually valid - is normally they are the opportunity for a B rate pro to get in super shape and get a win and some pub over A rate pros who aren't in super shape.

That being said, the Turkey Trot I remember the most is from 10 years ago and it involved 2 A teamers in Alan Webb and Galen Rupp. It still blows my mind that just 10 years ago Webb beat Rupp on Thanksgiving 13:34 to 13:37.

How did that happen? What are your fondest Turkey Trot memories? Is my perception that it's normally a shine day for B teamers accurate?

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Because Webb was a bigger talent than pretty than Rupp and basically every runner in history / in the US. Webb could’ve been a 47 & sub 27 dude and fill in the gaps in between.

The only thing about Webb, is that he needed a coach to also train his mind and not just his body. Raczko and Salazar seemed to be the only coaches to get that.

Once he left Salazar, his comeback was over.

Berwick Run for the Diamonds the OG Turkey Trot before they were called that.

In non scamdemic times the local Turkey Trot is for the college kids home on break to tempo in 15:30 FTW. If they are not resting after a long XC season.

Runner10287 wrote:

Berwick Run for the Diamonds the OG Turkey Trot before they were called that.

In non scamdemic times the local Turkey Trot is for the college kids home on break to tempo in 15:30 FTW. If they are not resting after a long XC season.

Actually it was called the Berwick Marathon before it was called The Run For The Diamonds.

And, no, we weren't running turkey trots, we were running AAU Nationals.

Webb was really turning the corner that year (2010) under Salazar. Not just this 5k, but was running reasonably quick 1500s that summer, too. It was clear he was starting to regain his old form, finishing kick, etc.

That was the one high-point between 2008-2014. Anyone know why he decided to leave Salazar?

Remember when Morgan PEARSON pushed out a 13:32 on the same course and best Lawi LaLa .. ?!

Paul Bunyan wrote:

Webb was really turning the corner that year (2010) under Salazar. Not just this 5k, but was running reasonably quick 1500s that summer, too. It was clear he was starting to regain his old form, finishing kick, etc.

That was the one high-point between 2008-2014. Anyone know why he decided to leave Salazar?

The rumor I always heard was that Webb didn't feel uncomfortable when Rupp gave him a bag of pills and told him to take them. Webb supposedly went into the bathroom and was trying to google any writing he could see on the pills to see if they were legit. The guy who told me this story said he viewed as a test as to whether Webb would be a good fit for the group or not.

Anyone else hear this?

malmo wrote:

Runner10287 wrote:

Berwick Run for the Diamonds the OG Turkey Trot before they were called that.

In non scamdemic times the local Turkey Trot is for the college kids home on break to tempo in 15:30 FTW. If they are not resting after a long XC season.

Actually it was called the Berwick Marathon before it was called The Run For The Diamonds.

And, no, we weren't running turkey trots, we were running AAU Nationals.

Oh I know all about Berwick and it’s history.

Family stories and all.

AAU Nats out on the Golf Course

What I recall is that Webb was way too impatient for Salazar-style winter training to really take hold. He could not believe Salazar had him running 28 second indoor 200s with Rupp in one video I recall. Way too slow for what he was used to. All the weights and drills and exercises should have been right up Webb's alley but he wanted to be running real speed at the time. That San Jose turkey trot showed that he was getting in solid off-season distance shape. There weren't too many faster road 5000m races at the time, pre-carbon fiber spring shoes. But in January or the beginning of February he went to run a mile in Boston and blew up at Salazar after maybe not even breaking 4:00. They were both hot tempered guys. I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, but that was the end for them right there. Webb left the team shortly thereafter. History suggests that had he stayed the course for a few years, he would have had a lot of success with Salazar. A real shame that the best talent we may have ever had, outside of Wheating (3:30 in his first Euro 1500m after starting track as a senior in high school), reached top world level in his peak year around 25 and then never came close to it again.

this is the problem...monaco is 2-3 seconds fake fast, and wheating was a 3:33 guy and thought he was a legit 3:30 and pushed himself to believe the fakeness and burnt himself out.

and if i was to wager, webb was prob pissed off that he became rupps tackling dummy instead of being his own athlete. salazar burned a lot of bridges with doing that to pros who went to him. how are you supposed to run fast if all you are is a training guinea pig for ruppy poop? how would you feel if you were a 3:46 miler and told you were rupps little training b*tch?

One of my shots from that morning.

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