Johns Hopkins: COVID19 Has Had Almost "no effect on deaths in the United States"

Let’s not forget the other point: that causes of death showed an irregular decrease in every category except corona, which, in essence, hoping to avoid oversimplification, means, for those who are woke, that, in this scenario, as covid deaths rise, deaths for everything else precipitously decline.

real info wrote:

Holy crap this is idiotic.

The linked publication is put out by JHU students. It's not a journal or something run by adults at all.

Oh really?

Not adults?

real info wrote:

Holy crap this is idiotic.

The linked publication is put out by JHU students. It's not a journal or something run by adults at all.

That's okay, just pretend they're all named Greta Thunberg.

Feel better now?

Is digging your own grave a past time for you? The comparison here is that Allen, while perhaps being modestly equipped in the genitalia, is more than generously equipped in regard to intellectual capacity. Given the nature of an Internet forum the latter being by far more important, you are strengthening his platform as a commentator on issues of society.

Perhaps you can take your endowment and go fornicate yourself since, very clearly, you have nothing to contribute to conversation.

This individual has been statistically illustrating this for many months:

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1332037025663475715

real info wrote:

Holy crap this is idiotic.

The linked publication is put out by JHU students. It's not a journal or something run by adults at all.

And the person being cited is "assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program." She has no medical background. Her PhD is in agricultural economics from Washington State. She's just one more idiot economist who thinks they know everything. She's not tenure-track faculty at Hopkins, she's a lecturer. Nothing wrong with that, but she's ridiculously unqualified to be making these kinds of statements about Covid-19.

No, she isn't unqualified. This wasn't a medical study she did, with control groups, etc. She merely took available CDC data and analyzed it. A college student with an algebra background could do this work. You don't need a medical background or a PhD.

Now, whether she did it correctly, I can't tell yet. If she ignored some relevant data on increased deaths in the US in 2020, then it should be pretty easy to dismiss her work.

Where did you see a reference to intelligence in the monkey article?

That being said, the Johns Hopkins thing is mostly laughable, it purposefully ignores the overall increase in deaths by looking at they percent by age which only means the number and distribution of COVID deaths is not enough to change the overall distribution but even for that no actual parameters were defined to statistically validate what would be a non conclusion anyway. Then she specifically picked one small timeframe that justified a second conclusion while never even addressing/explaining the fact that there are 200,000 more deaths.

Ahead of the Curve wrote:

Where did you see a reference to intelligence in the monkey article?

That being said, the Johns Hopkins thing is mostly laughable, it purposefully ignores the overall increase in deaths by looking at they percent by age which only means the number and distribution of COVID deaths is not enough to change the overall distribution but even for that no actual parameters were defined to statistically validate what would be a non conclusion anyway. Then she specifically picked one small timeframe that justified a second conclusion while never even addressing/explaining the fact that there are 200,000 more deaths.

But should we even care? 200,000 when looked at the overall deaths and normal ebbs and flows isnt really that alarming. I mean 200,000 more this year (sad) will be offset by 100,000 below average deaths the next couple years.

A comment below the article saved me a lot of work:

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Maxwell • 4 hours ago

"Consider the following figures- US Total deaths by year per CDC:

2013: 2,596,993

2014: 2,626,418

2015: 2,712,630

2016: 2,744,248

2017: 2,813,503

2018: 2,839,205

2019: 2,855,000

2020: as of 11/14 total deaths= 2,512,880

At present the US is experiencing a 1.12% increase in overall mortality rates for 2020- not good- pandemicky numbers to be sure.

However, last year, 2019, there was also a 1.12% increase. Did we miss a pandemic in 2019?

But wait it’s even "scarier"- 2018 saw a 1.22% increase in mortality rates, 2017 saw a 1.24% increase, 2016 1.27% increase, 2015 1.27% increase, 2014 1.29% increase- all exceeding 2020’s increase in mortality rate- so does this mean we have had pandemics for the last 7 years?

Does this indicate non-stop pandemics every year for the last 7 years and we just weren’t paying attention and didn’t have an 'honest" media to keep us pinned to our beds in a proper state of fear?

And BTW 2013 all the way back to 2009 all showed .09% increases in mortality rates- don’t know where the cutoff is but certainly even these years were “pandemic like” if you feel this year was truly a pandemic.

It isn’t until we go back to the year 2008 that we see a decrease in overall mortality rates in the US. For 20 straight years there were decreases in mortality rates and then in 2009 this changed- since then we have had an increase in mortality rates. Why is that? Could this point to the 2008 economic recession as being the leading indicator rather than some supernatural viral entity?

In reality this year at present seems to be no different in overall mortality rates compared to last year and less of an increase than 5 of the 6 the preceding years. How is this possible during a “pandemic of biblical proportions?”

It's always important to look at the rates (populations are increasing and rates vary) and overall trends to get a clear picture.

It's also been obvious since April that how death certificates are filed have been dramatically altered (first time in history) to give liberal interpretations to "Covid" as being cause of death- and let's not forget that PCR tests at greater than 35 cycles (as is the case in virtually every lab in the US/Europe) produce massive false positives. This article illustrates indeed that past deaths caused by heart disease are now obviously getting lumped into the catch-all "Covid" category.

Oh and BTW the WHO changed it's definition of what IS a Pandemic in 2009- might want to look into how and why that was done."

When you incentivize the categorization of death with funding, don't be surprised if a "Deadly Pandemic" results. Or maybe that was the point all alog?

The covidiots that slobber on the erectile pole of fear-mongering need to slink back into their dark slimy lairs, never to return. This whole thing is a sham and a by-product of mental illness.

An interesting new article about deaths by age in 2020 as compared to 2018. It looks like we have approx. 76,000 more deaths so far in 2020 as compared to 2018. The number of deaths in the 85+ category is approximately the same in 2018 and 2020, although the CDC is attributing 74,722 deaths to COVID-19 in that age group. It is the 55-64 and 65-74 age group that shows big increases, but the CDC is attributing twice the increase in deaths in each of these age groups to COVID-19. There are also surprising increases in the 25-34 and 35-44 age groups, beyond what the CDC is claiming is caused by COVID-19.

I'm taking this one with a grain of salt. There has been some excess death due to Covid although I think we do not know the real amount yet. There are also excess deaths documented due to the shutdowns so to say ot has had no impact seems questionable. Also they did not give hard numbers on the death totals this year compared to previous years.

But Bill Gates will be firing this person in 3, 2 , 1...

suree wrote:

don't mind me., I'm just here for all the liberals angrily defending their fear-mongering narrative

I don't see any evidence of liberals "defending a fear mongering narrative" on here.

I am a conservative and a Republican and it's embarrassing to me how dumb this position makes us look. It's like liberals denying a fetus is a living human. Sometimes I wonder if 90% of these posts are Russian trolls. I don't know any Republicans who think this has been a bunch of "fear-mongering." Global pandemics are feared for good reason.

She proved that hospitals were being to to classify any death a Covid death as long as the patient was tested positive. Suddenly, the numbers for deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia just magically disappeared. The CDC lied about how people died.

When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes.

This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years. Interestingly, as depicted in the table below, the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.

Allen53 wrote:

As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes.

Easy fraud to commit. Declare a disease everyone is gonna get to be a deadly pandemic, then blame every death on it.

Also COVID mortality trend by age tracks well with non-COVID mortality so you wouldn’t expect the proportion of deaths by age to change (assuming COVID cases are distributed roughly evenly across ages).

See here for analysis from England:

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3259

A COVID infection basically doubles your risk of death for the year — for all age groups over 20. You wouldn’t expect this to change the distribution of deaths!

Also here:

https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1331984271955939328?s=21

Covid deniers are now jumping at random stuff put out by undergrads without even skimming it — that’s how low they have to reach to find “data.” They’ve lost.

This is such a tell on COVID deniers that they are pushing this. Huge indictment of their analytical skills (not that we needed any more evidence —ha)

Harambe wrote:

Covid deniers are now jumping at random stuff put out by undergrads without even skimming it — that’s how low they have to reach to find “data.” They’ve lost.

Computer nerd Bill Gates loves this^^^

curiosity killed the cat wrote:

But should we even care? 200,000 when looked at the overall deaths and normal ebbs and flows isnt really that alarming. I mean 200,000 more this year (sad) will be offset by 100,000 below average deaths the next couple years.

Obviously 100% of all people eventually die so over a long enough timeline the numbers will balance out. How long? Honestly it’ll probably take us 5-10 years or more to really know, and anybody pretending to ‘know’ otherwise is misinformed.

Whether or how much we should care is a very valid question and everyone is entitled to their own personal beliefs. Each person is able to gauge their own personal level of risk, but it becomes much more complicated when people are arguing for their right to put others at risk.

Unfortunately, we still have a significant portion of people who would rather pretend it’s not real, argue masks are killing people and that nobody’s actually sick or advocating for some arbitrary ‘freedom’ than actually agree on reasonable precautions until enough people can get vaccinated and we can all go on with our lives. Same thing happened 100 years ago and we eventually got through it. Thankfully, medical advances since then will make this one much less deadly.