Professor Sucharit Bakdi, microbiologist: WHO now acknowledges that covid-19 is not a dangerous virus and the pandemic is over.

The Unkle wrote:

[quote]zxcvzcxv wrote:

Every intuitive economic incentive was to deny COVID and carry on business as usual.

Not if the goal is to destroy all independent economic activity and bring it all under one rule by a handful of billionaires.

Or under the rule of the man in the Moon. Read something, Unkle. For example: The Paranoid Style in American Politics, Richard Hoefstadter. Or The Closing of the American Mind, Allan Bloom. Or may be some novels by Philiph Roth and Saul Bellow. Or pick a book about Philosophy of Science. But read.

Science is NOT a consensus. That is the huge stumbling block most people have as herd animals.

"Galileo's championing of heliocentrism and Copernicanism met with opposition from within the Catholic Church and from some astronomers. The matter was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that heliocentrism was "foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical since it explicitly contradicts in many places the sense of Holy Scripture"."

Albert Einstein put it best:

"If I were wrong, one would have been enough. "[In response to the book "Hundred Authors Against Einstein"]

KaareV wrote:

Interesting paper, though not peer-reviewed. And it "confirms" what many other scientist, which governments listen to, have written : 0.2-03 %.

But the infection fatality rate is not a fixed physical constant and it can vary substantially across locations, depending on the population structure, the case mix of infected, and deceased individuals, and other factors.

And it doesn't falsify lockdowns. But "the scientific community" has learned a lot about this virus for the last months. Always tentative. But SARS Cov-2 spreads much, much, more rapidly than a seasonable flu.

Yes which is why we are up at 300k deaths instead of the more normal 30k. And that is despite taking a ton of precautionary measures. But the good news is that if the death rate is .2%, we are almost done give that ~150million americans would have had covid already. Thats getting pretty close to the herd immunity level where infection rates should start plummeting..... Or course the rate is more like .7-1% (which matches the studies that suggest 30-60 million americans have had it) and we aren't even close...

While scientific progress is not Exactly based on consensus, it certainly cannot be based on single studies were study groups, but rather needs to be done by evaluating the breath of research available. While Ionnaidis is well known for his paper “how most published research studies are false“ a subsequent paper, not by him, entitled “how most published research studies or false but a little replication helps“ demonstrates positive progress is actually made. This is material I have been introducing to people for many years. It is also useful to know, that Ionnaidis himself suggested that the mortality rates could vary from the situation to situation. You could have two identical twins simultaneously exposed to a virus, the first being exposed to a moderate viral load and the second exposed to an enormous viral load. The second twin is almost certain to get much sicker and be more likely to die. An environment where Viral load exposure is likely to be a higher is also likely to have a higher case fatality rate. This is not new science. Predictions about the expected course of the Pirates are also not new science.

Science is NOT a consensus. That is the huge stumbling block most people have as herd animals.

"Galileo's championing of heliocentrism and Copernicanism met with opposition from within the Catholic Church and from some astronomers. The matter was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that heliocentrism was "foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical since it explicitly contradicts in many places the sense of Holy Scripture"."

Albert Einstein put it best:

"If I were wrong, one would have been enough. "[In response to the book "Hundred Authors Against Einstein"][/quote]

False Analogy Fallacy. It seems as though you are interested in Science. Thomas Kuhns "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" stresses the point about consensus in the scientific community. He uses the expamples which you mentioned, but not the way you use them. Well, I am not a big fan of Kuhn. But you could learn a thing or two. And what about Informal Logic???

Expected course of the virus, not pirates

In addition, mitigation measures Can alter the average viral load exposure per infection, which affects severity of infection and infection fatality rate

trashcan wrote:

In addition, mitigation measures Can alter the average viral load exposure per infection, which affects severity of infection and infection fatality rate

Absolutely. We are in a wait and see position.

I'm nauseated wrote:

Trump LOST wrote:

Weird old man touts fringe conspiracy theory.

Sad.

Should we talk about fringe conspiracy theory? Don't even like Trump but hearing you tweedledums harping on about Russian collusion/influence from day 1 was let's just say ridiculous.

And I'm really interested by your conspiracy theory in which everybody is racist.

Do you people really believe all this crap your fed??

Yesssssssss another hurting trump fan boy, delicious tears.

The “I’m not even a trump fan but” posters are my favorite.

ENJOY YOUR LOSS ??

I have a really hard time using NYC's data as representative due to several reasons.

As the study said demographic matters as well as viral load. NYC and a few other new England states did the exact thing any intelligent response would advise against for a virus that is extremely dangerous to the elderly which is expose the most vulnerable in the worst possible way which ravaged nursing homes and put the medical system under extreme duress. This is why the medical overload narrative has not been a real widespread concern in other places despite the attempts to paint it so.

Also, care has improved so the IFR in March/April is higher than it is today where NYC was hit hard then.

There is also a political angle where Cuomo and De Blasio were really playing politics versus Trump. With the corruption in NYC politics, I do not believe for a second Cuomo isn't above encouraging their medical system to label deaths as COVID that should not have been. We already know he cooked the books on nursing home deaths.

One other factor is NY as well as New Jersey retroactively labeled groups of deaths in thousands as COVID despite no evidence that they were Covid because they claimed as "excess" deaths they had to be due to COVID. How that went down in a lot of medical expert's opinions was highly questionable.

There are a lot of data points that can be used when it comes to COVID and I think when you look at everywhere around the world there are a lot of reasons to take numbers from NY with a grain of salt.

Then how do you get 262,000 deaths in 8 months. Far higher total and per capita rate than the highest flu pandemic since 1920 in the U.S.

Why is CNN and everyone still talking about COVID-19? I thought we wouldn't hear about it after the election. That's what Trump said and I saw a lot of memes on Facebook.

I hear that covid is running rampant and out of control in prisons.

Anyone see a little dose of irony on the horizon in that Trump, the great denier, may well come to reap the consequences of his own malignant indifference to public welfare as the prospect of incarceration looms as a very real possibility in his future?

YMMV wrote:

explainame wrote:

So why does every country in the world not believe it. Give me a rational, believable answer.

Every country has these elements:

Media-Needs eyeballs and clicks

Politicians- Need levers to exert power

Pharma/Medical corporations- Need $$

In the initial months, everyone could plead ignorance (except a few scientists who knew better), but by this summer the fix was in, the profit motive (and election madness) had seized control.

The PCR test applied without symptoms is criminal.

0/10. Absolute trash post once again, YMMV.

Your premise that global public health measures in place are a result of manipulations mostly prevalent only in the USA just advertises your ignorance on how other nations make decisions.

You can post all the Youtube videos you want. Where I live in Canada, our ICU's are having to divert patients and hospitals are growing more and more overwhelmed. And we have mandatory public masks, various measures in place, etc.

In other words, if the pandemic is over, why is our health care system struggling to manage despite many public health measures in place designed to limit the spread of infectious disease?

YMMV wrote:

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Ohhhh, so you are really are this dumb. Makes sense.

How does the sand taste today, Mr. Ostrich?

“Head in the sand” = unwilling to recognize or acknowledge a problem or situation

This is very ironic since you just posted that the pandemic isn’t a problem.

10/10

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Hey aren't you the guy who said the Dakota's were models for the rest of the country just a little while back...the same Dakota's that have some of the worst stats in the world right now?

maybe you should take it easy with the advice.....

2600 pennies aint change bro wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Hey aren't you the guy who said the Dakota's were models for the rest of the country just a little while back...the same Dakota's that have some of the worst stats in the world right now?

maybe you should take it easy with the advice.....

Much rather stay open and deal with their fallout experienced there. It obviously took longer to hit there due to the nature of the spread but I still don't feel the impact of the virus is worse than the cost of the shutdowns. Pretty sure I've never said the virus wasn't real or people weren't going to get it and the Dakota's had some secret with respect to stopping the spread. Just that I was in favor of the benefits of continuing living as normally as possible and accepting there would be some negative viral impacts. I think a lot of people in those states still agree they made the right choice and are willing to accept some risk in their lives.

Yeah Wuhan, Bergamo, and NYC agree with you bro; I bet they all wish they'd stayed more open in March/April.

Considering that the current uptick in Canada is about half what it was in May, in a country with relatively few infections and deaths overall, could it be that your vaunted socialized medicine isn't up to the demand of a straightforward flu season? I agree it is sad, but not a problem that is exceptional and could not be easily forseen. Considering the obvious glee that Prime Minister Blackface seems to hold for the "Great Covid Reset", I dare say it is all part of his plan, or at least the plan that his WEF caregivers impart to him.