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  • voted out, pants out
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 12:32pm CST
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    The Unkle wrote:
    voted out, pants out wrote:
    The Unkle wrote:
    [quote]voted out, pants out wrote:
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    Where does the CDC state that they are putting up a fractional number of Covid deaths?

    Why would they?


    I see the concept continues to escape you.


    It sure does.

    Over 300k dead from Covid -- let's call it 250k.


    awesome....glad you have found some peace with this.
  • Coevett
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 12:33pm CST
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    zxcvxzcv wrote:
    260,000 have died from COVID, according to death certificates, 2,000 reported dead each of the past three days.

    However, more than 300,000 (The Times today says 326,000) have died over the expected total without COVID. What accounts for the extra deaths? Probably unattributed COVID deaths, because deaths in most other categories are close to expected, but certain categories potentially caused by COVID rose a lot, specifically, pneumonia in March-April, and other things as well. It is possible that some of those excess deaths are due to fear of going to the hospital at the worst times, but then too medical mistake deaths would have decreased.


    'Medical mistake deaths'???
  • trashcan
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 12:37pm CST
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    Yes, if you don’t go in for surgery because of of Covid, then there is no chance that you Will die on the surgical table due to an error.
  • The Unkle
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 12:39pm CST
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    voted out, pants out wrote:
    The Unkle wrote:
    voted out, pants out wrote:
    The Unkle wrote:
    [quote]voted out, pants out wrote:
    [quote]The Unkle wrote:

    Where does the CDC state that they are putting up a fractional number of Covid deaths?

    Why would they?


    I see the concept continues to escape you.


    It sure does.

    Over 300k dead from Covid -- let's call it 250k.


    awesome....glad you have found some peace with this.


    Makes perfect sense that 250k Covid deaths minus those who would have died anyway (quite a few given the age and health of the people who died) equals 300k excess deaths.

    All you have to do is accept the undocumented premise that the CDC is purposefully understating the Covid deaths by at least 100k, for no known reason.
  • voted out, pants out
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 12:41pm CST
    re: Coevett
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    Coevett wrote:
    zxcvxzcv wrote:
    260,000 have died from COVID, according to death certificates, 2,000 reported dead each of the past three days.

    However, more than 300,000 (The Times today says 326,000) have died over the expected total without COVID. What accounts for the extra deaths? Probably unattributed COVID deaths, because deaths in most other categories are close to expected, but certain categories potentially caused by COVID rose a lot, specifically, pneumonia in March-April, and other things as well. It is possible that some of those excess deaths are due to fear of going to the hospital at the worst times, but then too medical mistake deaths would have decreased.


    'Medical mistake deaths'???


    he's referring to the contradictory nature of common covid deniers arguments that hundreds of thousands of people die from medical error each year hence we shouldn't worry so much about Coivid deaths...

    ....and also trying to attribute the skyrocketing death rate this year mostly to people avoiding the hospital rather than covid

    clearly, you can't hold both of these beliefs at the same time and remain logical constant without some very awkward mental gymnastics...yet they persist.
  • voted out, pants out
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 12:52pm CST
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    The Unkle wrote:
    voted out, pants out wrote:
    The Unkle wrote:
    voted out, pants out wrote:
    The Unkle wrote:
    [quote]voted out, pants out wrote:
    [quote]The Unkle wrote:

    Where does the CDC state that they are putting up a fractional number of Covid deaths?

    Why would they?


    I see the concept continues to escape you.


    It sure does.

    Over 300k dead from Covid -- let's call it 250k.


    awesome....glad you have found some peace with this.


    Makes perfect sense that 250k Covid deaths minus those who would have died anyway (quite a few given the age and health of the people who died) equals 300k excess deaths.

    All you have to do is accept the undocumented premise that the CDC is purposefully understating the Covid deaths by at least 100k, for no known reason.


    No one claimed the CDC is knowingly underreporting. They are reporting what they have.

    There are many clear and obvious reasons many covid deaths were likely missed.Many people died before covid testing was available or routinely applied....just to give one example. It's not that complicated...I have faith you can figure it out.

    260,000 people reported as dying of Covid. 300k extra people have died. So either some other unknown cause has created another 40k deaths, or much more likely, many of those are Covid related.

    It's hilarious that you demand an exact tally of Covid deaths to believe it as a cause but don't actually have any other competing statistical evidence of alternate explanations for these 300k deaths.

    since you demand exact precision, what explanation do you offer that has better statistical evidence than Covid?

    None.
  • Paul Reverewear
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 2:31pm CST
    re: voted out, pants out
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    This thread is like listening to a couple bunch of three year olds around the birthday table arguing about who got the most ice cream AND the biggest slice of cake.

    Except this is sad since these aren’t three year old kids.
  • ggilder
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 5:08pm CST
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    Paul Reverewear wrote:Except this is sad since these aren’t three year old kids.


    Well, I'll be 81 next week, so perhaps I can provide adult supervision on the data and explain the panicky posts.

    2.9 million Americans died in 2019.
    With the steady aging of the baby boom bulge, deaths are increasing every year.
    Add the projected COVID deaths--some 300K this year (2020).
    Total number of deaths should run about 3.2 million in 2020.
    As of Nov. 19, LiveStats estimates total US deaths at 2,377,600.
    I know there are delays in reporting but the large gap suggests that the some 200 million Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) tests, with their frequent false positives, have converted to "COVID fatalities hundreds of thousands of predictable boomer deaths.
    Hence the huge overreaction to what across the range of human history of plagues and other catastrophes is a routine viral event.

    I'm going for a run. No mask.
  • browski
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 5:12pm CST
    re: ggilder
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    YES BUT THINK OF YOUR GRANDPARENTS!!!
  • ggilder
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 5:28pm CST
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    browski wrote:
    YES BUT THINK OF YOUR GRANDPARENTS!!!


    I think of them frequently. They mostly died long ago in their 70s of heart attacks or strokes.

    My resting heart rate is around 43. I run about 30 miles a week and do a race whenever I can. Nearly always get an "age adjusted" win.

    "Age adjusted" COVID is scarcely lethal at all. It chiefly threatens people who are already dying.
  • Harambe
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 5:29pm CST
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    voted out, pants out wrote:

    since you demand exact precision, what explanation do you offer that has better statistical evidence than Covid?

    None.


    I've asked this question dozens of times. You'll just see the subject change. They have no logical explanation for 300k excess deaths that doesn't involve COVID.
  • macdaddy og 1
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 5:32pm CST
    re: ggilder
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    ggilder wrote:

    Nearly always get an "age adjusted" win.


    Youre like my neighbor who wins his age group and then tells everyone he “won the race”.
  • ggilder
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 5:57pm CST
    re: macdaddy og 1
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    macdaddy og 1 wrote:
    ggilder wrote:

    Nearly always get an "age adjusted" win.


    Youre like my neighbor who wins his age group and then tells everyone he “won the race”.


    I know. It's really fake. But they do calculate it for my New York state races.
  • Paul Reverewear
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 11:42pm CST
    re: ggilder
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    You’re a pathetic old geezer.
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