250,000 Americans, but yeah let’s cry about race cancellations

The Unkle wrote:

Jesus H. It's simple enough. How do 250k Covid deaths minus how ever many would have died with no Covid (not a mall number) equal 300k excess deaths.

What kind of moronic comment is the following?

"Your math equation is incomplete and missing variables. We'll get there. If you don't understand point A, there's no point in moving to point B."

God bless you

PS

In the future try to remain calm.

I know it's difficult when your whole troll spiel is being dismantled in front of you, but if you show how upset you are getting over it ruins all the work you've put into it already. Remember, as a troll your goal is to agitate the other person, not to get agitated yourself. You must be new.

voted out, pants out wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

Jesus H. It's simple enough. How do 250k Covid deaths minus how ever many would have died with no Covid (not a mall number) equal 300k excess deaths.

simple. You are incorrectly assuming that the 250k number accounts for all deaths caused by Covid.

I was unaware that using the CDC number was actually me making an assumption.

Tell me more.

voted out, pants out wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

Jesus H. It's simple enough. How do 250k Covid deaths minus how ever many would have died with no Covid (not a mall number) equal 300k excess deaths.

What kind of moronic comment is the following?

"Your math equation is incomplete and missing variables. We'll get there. If you don't understand point A, there's no point in moving to point B."

God bless you

PS

In the future try to remain calm.

I know it's difficult when your whole troll spiel is being dismantled in front of you, but if you show how upset you are getting over it ruins all the work you've put into it already. Remember, as a troll your goal is to agitate the other person, not to get agitated yourself. You must be new.

Stupid is far too weak an adjective to describe you.

The Unkle wrote:

voted out, pants out wrote:

simple. You are incorrectly assuming that the 250k number accounts for all deaths caused by Covid.

I was unaware that using the CDC number was actually me making an assumption.

Tell me more.

So you misinterpreted the CDC number for Covid related deaths that have been accounted for so far and believed it was supposed to be 100% complete count of every Covid caused death in the entire country. I see. Fascinating. Well there lies part of the issue.

260,000 have died from COVID, according to death certificates, 2,000 reported dead each of the past three days.

However, more than 300,000 (The Times today says 326,000) have died over the expected total without COVID. What accounts for the extra deaths? Probably unattributed COVID deaths, because deaths in most other categories are close to expected, but certain categories potentially caused by COVID rose a lot, specifically, pneumonia in March-April, and other things as well. It is possible that some of those excess deaths are due to fear of going to the hospital at the worst times, but then too medical mistake deaths would have decreased.

now that that's been cleared up, let's return to the first premise.

Are you aware that there have been ~300k more deaths than expected this year in the US?

If you are not aware of this, then there is no point in continuing.

zxcvxzcv wrote:

260,000 have died from COVID, according to death certificates, 2,000 reported dead each of the past three days.

However, more than 300,000 (The Times today says 326,000) have died over the expected total without COVID. What accounts for the extra deaths? Probably unattributed COVID deaths, because deaths in most other categories are close to expected, but certain categories potentially caused by COVID rose a lot, specifically, pneumonia in March-April, and other things as well. It is possible that some of those excess deaths are due to fear of going to the hospital at the worst times, but then too medical mistake deaths would have decreased.

please be advised that you are most likely talking to someone with severely compromised mental capacity. Perhaps covid related cognitive decline.

At first I assumed troll, but considering how much effort he has put into and then weighing that against his complete lack of skill at it.....I'm leaning further and further toward cognitive impairment. Otherwise, you would assume after this much trolling that he would have acquired some basic level of skill at.

But that has not been the case.

Before COVID-19 appeared, the projection was for 2.58 Million people to die in the US from Jan. 1 to Nov. 21, 2020.

Many of those 250,000 people classified as COVID-19 deaths would have died in 2020 regardless of any COVID-19 infection. They would have been part of the 2.9 Million who were projected to die in the US for the full year 2020.

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Dr. Ezike explained that anyone who passes away after testing positive for the virus is included in that category.

"If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death." Dr. Ezike outlined.

https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/

DanM wrote:

Before COVID-19 appeared, the projection was for 2.58 Million people to die in the US from Jan. 1 to Nov. 21, 2020.

Many of those 250,000 people classified as COVID-19 deaths would have died in 2020 regardless of any COVID-19 infection. They would have been part of the 2.9 Million who were projected to die in the US for the full year 2020.

False.

300k extra people have died so far this year. We are already on verge of passing our projection for the entire year. So unless no one in the entire country dies for the rest of the year we are going to be waaaaay above the projections for the year.

stop spreading falsehoods.

The Unkle wrote:

Actually more like 2.6 million Americans have died so far this year.

Exactly. Something like 2.8 million Americans died from health complications last year. Many of those from contagious diseases, some of which were surely picked up at large road races.

^Love it when two brain dead mental midgets support each others fairy tales.

voted out, pants out wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

I was unaware that using the CDC number was actually me making an assumption.

Tell me more.

So you misinterpreted the CDC number for Covid related deaths that have been accounted for so far and believed it was supposed to be 100% complete count of every Covid caused death in the entire country. I see. Fascinating. Well there lies part of the issue.

Really. The CDC puts a number out as to how many Covid deaths there have been.

How do I misinterpret that?

Because you cannot explain how 250k deaths minus the number who would have died anyway equals 300k? That means the CDC is putting out a misleading number?

voted out, pants out wrote:

DanM wrote:

Before COVID-19 appeared, the projection was for 2.58 Million people to die in the US from Jan. 1 to Nov. 21, 2020.

Many of those 250,000 people classified as COVID-19 deaths would have died in 2020 regardless of any COVID-19 infection. They would have been part of the 2.9 Million who were projected to die in the US for the full year 2020.

False.

300k extra people have died so far this year. We are already on verge of passing our projection for the entire year. So unless no one in the entire country dies for the rest of the year we are going to be waaaaay above the projections for the year.

stop spreading falsehoods.

Completely false- you obviously have not looked into the data in the least.

The US is on target to have a mortality increase of 1.12%- exactly the same as last year- in fact will be slightly less when the decimal is drawn out one more position as you are going to see.

This year's increase in mortality RATE (morons should try doing RATE just once please) will be less than 6 of the last 7 years.

YOU-ARE-WRONG.

The Unkle wrote:

voted out, pants out wrote:

So you misinterpreted the CDC number for Covid related deaths that have been accounted for so far and believed it was supposed to be 100% complete count of every Covid caused death in the entire country. I see. Fascinating. Well there lies part of the issue.

Really. The CDC puts a number out as to how many Covid deaths there have been.

How do I misinterpret that?

Because you cannot explain how 250k deaths minus the number who would have died anyway equals 300k? That means the CDC is putting out a misleading number?

The CDC number is not misleading. Your use of it is. The CDC is not trying to claim that they have accounted for every single Covid caused death in their figure. You are.

As mentioned above, the mortality rate for 2020 can’t be completely calculated until 2020 is over. If no one dies between now and January, then the mortality rate increase will be the same as it was last year.

Regarding the 50,000 dead. Certainly it is possible that they are the result of unmeasured covid dead. Lack of testing resources, lack of awareness and lack of understanding of the disease could explain that. It could be in direct result of Covid, family stressors as related to caring for sick relatives. Disruption in the family dynamic. It could be a result of our Covid response as so many conservatives have mentioned. It could be something completely unrelated to Covid. People could’ve been having heart attacks anticipating the 2020 election. None of these are arguments against the Lethality of Covid. I am not a particularly extreme advocate of Covid restrictions, but any discussion of appropriate response to Covid should be based on a sober evaluation of the literature. The people who do that tend to make much less extreme or definitive posts.

voted out, pants out wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

Really. The CDC puts a number out as to how many Covid deaths there have been.

How do I misinterpret that?

Because you cannot explain how 250k deaths minus the number who would have died anyway equals 300k? That means the CDC is putting out a misleading number?

The CDC number is not misleading. Your use of it is. The CDC is not trying to claim that they have accounted for every single Covid caused death in their figure. You are.

Where does the CDC state that they are putting up a fractional number of Covid deaths?

Why would they?

The Unkle wrote:

voted out, pants out wrote:

The CDC number is not misleading. Your use of it is. The CDC is not trying to claim that they have accounted for every single Covid caused death in their figure. You are.

Where does the CDC state that they are putting up a fractional number of Covid deaths?

Why would they?

I see the concept continues to escape you.

voted out, pants out wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

[quote]voted out, pants out wrote:

[quote]The Unkle wrote:

Where does the CDC state that they are putting up a fractional number of Covid deaths?

Why would they?

I see the concept continues to escape you.

It sure does.

Over 300k dead from Covid -- let's call it 250k.