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  • voted out, pants out
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 4:01am CST
    re: Bad Wigins
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    Bad Wigins wrote:
    The Unkle wrote:
    Harambe wrote:
    DanM wrote:
    How many of the 250,000 would have died in 2020 anyway ?
    2.9 Million were projected to die in the US in 2020 before anybody heard of COVID-19.


    The term "excess" is lost upon you, isn't it.


    Afraid to answer his question I see.


    Question shouldn't even grant the number 250k. It's proven false; includes people who didn't have coronaviral disease.

    Coronaphobes' weak substitute tactic of pointing at supposed excess deaths is a red herring founded on correlation/causation fallacy. Many things can cause excess deaths, such as massive social upheaval due to lockdowns. There is not even circumstantial proof that a coronavirus has killed that many.

    Of the half of supposed deaths that occurred in nursing homes, certainly a huge proportion would have died anyway.


    ok, dude

    do you even read charts?

    https://imgur.com/a/W9ZZ7rV
  • browski
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 5:30am CST
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    voted out, pants out wrote:
    browski wrote:
    voted out, pants out wrote:
    Giovani wrote:
    250,000 nursing home patients have keeled over while an oversensitive PCR test says they "had" covid. But yeah let's shut down our lives until we get a handle on it!


    so if it wasn't covid....what DID kill the extra 300,000 Americans that die this year?

    and ...no...it wasn't 'lockdowns'


    who cares? I don't even care if it was all due to ONLY covid. What does it have to do with me enjoying Thanksgiving. Or going to religious services. Or opening my business. Or doing any of the other things we as Americans are guaranteed the right to do. Your sense of safety doesn't override my constitutional freedoms.

    I missed the "plague clause" in the Bill of Rights.


    Right on brother!!

    if you love throwing grenades on the freeway just for kicks,

    if you Iove driving drunk on the freeway with your eyes closed,

    if you love lighting forest fires,

    America is the place for you!!!!

    Your sense of safety doesn't overide my constitutional freedoms!!

    So refreshing when the covid deniers just come out and be honest and out themselves as pure psychopaths.

    'who cares why 300,000 people died......I wanna have muh turkey dinner!'


    1. I have never denied that covid exists. I am not a covid denier.
    2. If you don't see the difference between the things you list which are all clear violations of either local or federal laws and someone going outside without a mask, then you really are a new level of colossal puss.
    3. Your final sentence, while meant in sarcasm, is spot on. The two have zero to do with each other. The death of anyone from any disease has NEVER had any impact on our rights as Americans. If you are worried about YOUR family, then by all means, stay home. I'm having Thanksgiving with 10+ people at my house. Because that's what we do.
  • voted out, pants out
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 6:01am CST
    re: browski
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    I guess you are just too simple-minded to realize that you having dinner at your house with 10+ people this year might lead to me not being able to have dinner with my grandparents next year because they are dead.

    Or you are just a pyschopath and don't care.
  • voted out, pants out
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 6:05am CST
    re: browski
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    and no...your constitutional rights don't take precedent of my safety and right to life.

    that's why you can't drink and drive or yell fire in a theater. (But muh freedoms of Speech!!!)

    your rights end when they endanger the lives of others
  • voted out, pants out
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 6:20am CST
    re: Bad Wigins
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    Bad Wigins wrote:
    The Unkle wrote:
    Harambe wrote:
    DanM wrote:
    How many of the 250,000 would have died in 2020 anyway ?
    2.9 Million were projected to die in the US in 2020 before anybody heard of COVID-19.


    The term "excess" is lost upon you, isn't it.


    Afraid to answer his question I see.


    Question shouldn't even grant the number 250k. It's proven false; includes people who didn't have coronaviral disease.

    Coronaphobes' weak substitute tactic of pointing at supposed excess deaths is a red herring founded on correlation/causation fallacy. Many things can cause excess deaths, such as massive social upheaval due to lockdowns. There is not even circumstantial proof that a coronavirus has killed that many.

    Of the half of supposed deaths that occurred in nursing homes, certainly a huge proportion would have died anyway.


    The things about all the covid deniers still clinging on despite insurmountable evidence they were wrong.....you have no plausible counter-theory to explain the deaths.

    And no it isn't lockdown, the numbers and timing imply don't add up. Why would lock downs deaths coincide exactly with flu seasons but NOT with lockdowns? why would lock down deaths peak after 3 week of lockdown? We are now locking back down because deaths are skyrocketing...wait.....how on earth did deaths skyrocket BEFORE we even start locking back down? i thought it was the lockdowns that caused the deaths in the first place???? ????? zero logic in your tired argument....if you you can read charts.

    suicides, a core of the denier argument, remained flat in lockdowns Car accident deaths fell. Work deaths fell. At most, the lockdown caused a small fraction of the extra deaths and nothing you have ever posted has provided any real tangible evidence otherwise. nothing. zero. You've had 8 months. Linking an article to a guy who died in a motorcycle accident is not proof of faking 300,000 deaths. If they were all faked and simply people who would have died anyway, then there would be no rise in total deaths....but the rise in total deaths has been dramatic and indisputable...

    Mr Wigins, you've had 8 months to explain this chart with tangible evidence and real stats and you haven't.

    please explain where all the extra deaths are coming from in 2020 if not from Covid. Use real stats.

    https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/weeklyDeaths.png
  • The Unkle
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 6:42am CST
    re: voted out, pants out
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    Still unclear how 250k covid "linked" deaths minus x, where x if the number of those folks who would have died anyway, equals 300k excess deaths.

    Anyone?
  • browski
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 6:42am CST
    re: voted out, pants out
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    voted out, pants out wrote:
    I guess you are just too simple-minded to realize that you having dinner at your house with 10+ people this year might lead to me not being able to have dinner with my grandparents next year because they are dead.

    Or you are just a pyschopath and don't care.


    The two have nothing to do with each other. And you're right, I don't care.
  • voted out, pants out
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 6:56am CST
    re: browski
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    browski wrote:
    voted out, pants out wrote:
    I guess you are just too simple-minded to realize that you having dinner at your house with 10+ people this year might lead to me not being able to have dinner with my grandparents next year because they are dead.

    Or you are just a pyschopath and don't care.


    The two have nothing to do with each other. And you're right, I don't care.


    helping to spread a disease that will go on to kill others....how is that not a connection?
  • voted out, pants out
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 6:58am CST
    re: The Unkle
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    The Unkle wrote:
    Still unclear how 250k covid "linked" deaths minus x, where x if the number of those folks who would have died anyway, equals 300k excess deaths.

    Anyone?


    I explained it very clearly.
  • voted out, pants out
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 7:13am CST
    re: The Unkle
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    The Unkle wrote:
    Still unclear how 250k covid "linked" deaths minus x, where x if the number of those folks who would have died anyway, equals 300k excess deaths.

    Anyone?


    very clearly some strong cognitive dissonance going on...lets get to the root of the problem and determine if it's a misunderstanding of the facts that has you confused or just your lack of basic logic and reasoning skills that has you befudled.

    Let's start at point A and see where in the chain your understanding breaks down:

    Do you understand that 300,000 more people than expected have died this year in the US?

    If you don't understand that then there's no point in moving on to point B.
  • The Unkle
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 7:23am CST
    re: voted out, pants out
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    voted out, pants out wrote:
    The Unkle wrote:
    Still unclear how 250k covid "linked" deaths minus x, where x if the number of those folks who would have died anyway, equals 300k excess deaths.

    Anyone?


    very clearly some strong cognitive dissonance going on...lets get to the root of the problem and determine if it's a misunderstanding of the facts that has you confused or just your lack of basic logic and reasoning skills that has you befudled.

    Let's start at point A and see where in the chain your understanding breaks down:

    Do you understand that 300,000 more people than expected have died this year in the US?

    If you don't understand that then there's no point in moving on to point B.


    Let me try one more time.

    How does 250k - X = 300k? Where X is a positive number anywhere from 50k to 200k
  • Rainy Day
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 7:34am CST
    re: voted out, pants out
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    voted out, pants out wrote:
    and no...your constitutional rights don't take precedent of my safety and right to life.

    that's why you can't drink and drive or yell fire in a theater. (But muh freedoms of Speech!!!)

    your rights end when they endanger the lives of others


    Again, if you are so scared, then stay home. Go to Costco, stock up on 6 months worth of supplies until we can get the vaccine out to everyone.

    Problem solved for all of you petrified about COVID.

    I’m going to Thanksgiving with my family and have a great time. You only live once and nobody is promised tomorrow.

    By the way, I don’t have COVID. You act like those of us going on about our lives responsibly are all HIV infected people having orgies and sharing needles. I wear a mask indoors and keep my space around strangers.

    I’m going to work, the grocery store, and occasionally a nice dinner. Just like your buddy Newsome, who has now locked down the county where he had his own fancy dinner.
  • The Juice
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 7:37am CST
    re: voted out, pants out
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    voted out, pants out wrote:
    browski wrote:
    voted out, pants out wrote:
    I guess you are just too simple-minded to realize that you having dinner at your house with 10+ people this year might lead to me not being able to have dinner with my grandparents next year because they are dead.

    Or you are just a pyschopath and don't care.


    The two have nothing to do with each other. And you're right, I don't care.


    helping to spread a disease that will go on to kill others....how is that not a connection?


    I see this argument a lot, and I really don't understand it. How is Browski's decision to go out to dinner going to affect or your grandparents? If your grandparents stay in their home, it would be almost impossible for them to get the virus, regardless of what Browski does.

    If I stay in my home and only go out for groceries and Taco Bell, following all protocols, my risk is next to nothing. My entire family of 4 has not been sick with ANYTHING since lockdown. That's 8 months or so. That is unheard of.

    The bottom line is that it is possible for one to isolate oneself such that their risk of contracting covid is negligible.

    Here is how we handled Thanksgiving. Both sets of parents are over 65, meaning that they are at risk. We told them that we have no problem hosting Thanksgiving, but the number of cases is going up in our area, the kids are in school, and I am going in to work every other week. Although there has been no spread within the school or in my workplace, cases have been identified.

    It was their choice to decide whether or not to come to dinner, and they decided not to.

    I believe in giving people choices. If they had come to my home and somehow contracted covid, I would not be happy, but I would not feel responsible. We all make our choices and assess the risks and determine how we will conduct ourselves.
  • The Unkle
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 7:42am CST
    re: The Juice
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    As we enter the tenth month of this "pandemic", still know nobody who has gotten sick or even tested positive for the virus.

    But be afraid. Very afraid.

    And do whatever foolish and dangerous thing we tell you to
  • The Juice
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 8:08am CST
    re: The Unkle
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    The Unkle wrote:
    As we enter the tenth month of this "pandemic", still know nobody who has gotten sick or even tested positive for the virus.

    But be afraid. Very afraid.

    And do whatever foolish and dangerous thing we tell you to


    You talkin' to me, Unkle?

    What makes you think I'm "afraid"? I offered to host Thanksgiving dinner. It was my parents & in-laws who deemed it to be to great a risk, not I. I choose to go in to the office at work, and I choose to put my kids in school. My daughter rides horses on the weekend, and my son takes karate, which was recently shut down by the governor, to my chagrin. That's all we need to be happy and live a normal life.

    I'm fine, but other folks are facing the prospect of losing their livelihoods and/or businesses because someone (i.e. the governor) has decided to make crucial, life-altering decisions on their behalf.

    I have no doubt the virus is "real". 7 co-workers in my relatively small office have had it, as well as 4 friends/family. Several of these folks were not in great shape to begin with, but all have recovered fully except for 1 who was in very poor health prior to catching covid. He's currently in the hospital, not in critical care, but more serious than the others.

    It's possible for the virus to be real but for individual risk to be low, which it is by all accounts for those under the age of 65 who have no other health issues. Those who are at risk know exactly who they are. If your health is worse than that of our 74 year-old obese president, who easily dominated covid, then you are already aware of it. If that is the case, then hunker down -- a vaccine is on its way.
  • The Unkle
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 8:10am CST
    re: The Juice
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    The Juice wrote:
    [quote]The Unkle wrote:
    As we enter the tenth month of this "pandemic", still know nobody who has gotten sick or even tested positive for the virus.

    But be afraid. Very afraid.

    And do whatever foolish and dangerous thing we tell you to


    You talkin' to me, Unkle?

    I am paraphrasing the message we are all being immersed in.

    Scared, defensive, and dishonest is no way to go thru life
  • voted out, pants out
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 8:11am CST
    re: The Unkle
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    The Unkle wrote:
    voted out, pants out wrote:
    The Unkle wrote:
    Still unclear how 250k covid "linked" deaths minus x, where x if the number of those folks who would have died anyway, equals 300k excess deaths.

    Anyone?


    very clearly some strong cognitive dissonance going on...lets get to the root of the problem and determine if it's a misunderstanding of the facts that has you confused or just your lack of basic logic and reasoning skills that has you befudled.

    Let's start at point A and see where in the chain your understanding breaks down:

    Do you understand that 300,000 more people than expected have died this year in the US?

    If you don't understand that then there's no point in moving on to point B.


    Let me try one more time.

    How does 250k - X = 300k? Where X is a positive number anywhere from 50k to 200k


    Your math equation is incomplete and missing variables. We'll get there.

    If you don't understand point A, there's no point in moving to point B.

    Do you understand that 300,000 more people than expected have died this year in the US?
  • The Unkle
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    2 months ago 11/21/2020 8:15am CST
    re: voted out, pants out
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    voted out, pants out wrote:
    The Unkle wrote:
    voted out, pants out wrote:
    The Unkle wrote:
    Still unclear how 250k covid "linked" deaths minus x, where x if the number of those folks who would have died anyway, equals 300k excess deaths.

    Anyone?


    very clearly some strong cognitive dissonance going on...lets get to the root of the problem and determine if it's a misunderstanding of the facts that has you confused or just your lack of basic logic and reasoning skills that has you befudled.

    Let's start at point A and see where in the chain your understanding breaks down:

    Do you understand that 300,000 more people than expected have died this year in the US?

    If you don't understand that then there's no point in moving on to point B.


    Let me try one more time.

    How does 250k - X = 300k? Where X is a positive number anywhere from 50k to 200k


    Your math equation is incomplete and missing variables. We'll get there.

    If you don't understand point A, there's no point in moving to point B.

    Do you understand that 300,000 more people than expected have died this year in the US?


    Jesus H. It's simple enough. How do 250k Covid deaths minus how ever many would have died with no Covid (not a mall number) equal 300k excess deaths.

    What kind of moronic comment is the following?

    "Your math equation is incomplete and missing variables. We'll get there. If you don't understand point A, there's no point in moving to point B."

    God bless you
  • voted out, pants out
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 8:19am CST
    re: The Unkle
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    The root of the problem is that you have the logic reversed.. You are trying to infer that because the unknowns don't add up to the known that the knowns must be wrong. Can you see the logical problems in looking at the problem that way?

    We know ~300k extra people have died. Are you aware of this?

    That is the known we are working toward solving. If you don't realize this is a known, then there is no reason to proceed.
  • voted out, pants out
    2 months ago 11/21/2020 8:21am CST
    re: The Unkle
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    The Unkle wrote:
    voted out, pants out wrote:
    The Unkle wrote:
    voted out, pants out wrote:
    The Unkle wrote:
    Still unclear how 250k covid "linked" deaths minus x, where x if the number of those folks who would have died anyway, equals 300k excess deaths.

    Anyone?


    very clearly some strong cognitive dissonance going on...lets get to the root of the problem and determine if it's a misunderstanding of the facts that has you confused or just your lack of basic logic and reasoning skills that has you befudled.

    Let's start at point A and see where in the chain your understanding breaks down:

    Do you understand that 300,000 more people than expected have died this year in the US?

    If you don't understand that then there's no point in moving on to point B.


    Let me try one more time.

    How does 250k - X = 300k? Where X is a positive number anywhere from 50k to 200k


    Your math equation is incomplete and missing variables. We'll get there.

    If you don't understand point A, there's no point in moving to point B.

    Do you understand that 300,000 more people than expected have died this year in the US?


    Jesus H. It's simple enough. How do 250k Covid deaths minus how ever many would have died with no Covid (not a mall number) equal 300k excess deaths.

    What kind of moronic comment is the following?

    "Your math equation is incomplete and missing variables. We'll get there. If you don't understand point A, there's no point in moving to point B."

    God bless you


    So the issue is you don't understand math.
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